Even my shrink said I was strange.....

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11 Jan 2006, 7:40 pm

This story in my persuit for the offical D'x and help socalizing gets weirder still....

I went to the shrink today for my "initial" visit. I told her everything that has been going on, what lead to my discovering Aspergers, and why I am seeking assistance now at the age of 28. She told me, and I kid you not, that I was "strange and different but not outwardly annoying", and that the reason I wasnt getting the socialization skills or hadnt ever developed them was because I was ADHD and "just havent been paying attention all these years" so I didnt "pick up on " those social ques. Oh she also said I shouldnt try so hard to "fit in" that I should "find a place to fit in".
Huh?
I have been failing at that for the past 28 years thats why Im here....duh!

Oh and she gave me a script for a ADHD med so that I could "pay attention to social ques and learn how to act". I told her I didnt want any anti-deperssants b/c they made me gain weight and I wasnt depressed. She said that my dr recomended me to her because of "depression". I told her that I wasnt, that it was socialization issues....

Then she handed me off to another theripist. This other guy, Dr. A, is supposed to be a kid AND adult shrink and she said that he will be able to pinpoint what part of my childhood those social ques were first not noticed and maybe help me with that. She also said that the ADHD med that she was putting me on helped people with Aspergers learn to focus and pick up on social ques.

huh?

She noted that I clearly had developmental issues, social problems, etc, almost an exact match for the aspergers D'x, but thinks that ADHD is why I am socially inept, and why I have the sensory issues, anxiety and developmental issues.

Huh?!

I even had my IEP's from school, testing scores, teacher evaluations, seperate D'xs for all the other problems that are part of Aspergers, and she didnt want to see that. She did want to see the Dear Abby article that got published that lead to this in the first place. (28 OCT 05, "over Educated in the south") She had a smirk on her face over the response though.

Im going to see if the other shrink has a clue (if insurance will cover him, it may not) and I have to go back to the first one in a month to "see if the meds are helping me socialize better". Tried ritilin a couple years back, didnt help then, and I told her that.

Anyone have any input here. Im still laughing my butt off at the "you need to find a place to fit in" (as if I havent been trying) and shaking my head at the "you're strange, and very different, but not outwardly annoing". My mom thought it was funny, my older sister thought it was a HOOT.

*shaking head*

strange, my shrink told me I was strange. I need that on a shirt. ...... "My shrink told me I was weird"...... :roll:



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11 Jan 2006, 7:58 pm

8O Its really amazing how clueless so many shrinks can be...

So you were referred to this person by your general doctor? I know I met my current psychologist by googling for autism and asperger's in my area... eventually found an e-mail of someone who worked for the 'autism center' at the local hospital, asked them if they could help me or point me in the right direction... they eventually gave me the phone number (or email, I forget) of a shrink, who then further referred me (because his workload was heavy I think) to another doctor and then it took quite a while to get on her schedule. Yeah, it took a really long time :roll: But I couldn't really be happier with the results.

So if you feel like you are on your wits end with these people try contacting a autism support group or the like, and maybe they can point you to an autism expert.


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11 Jan 2006, 8:20 pm

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If you feel like you are on your wits end with these people try contacting a autism support group or the like, and maybe they can point you to an autism expert.


I second that. I went to a guy who specializes in the area, and he was very helpful. He did a very thorough job with my Dx, but he also tried to work with me and my parents.

I've heard this many times from people: they go in to some psychologist who doesn't know autism well at all, and they wind up with all sorts of bass ackwards diagnoses:

"But doctor, I'm not depressed--"

"Yes you are! Take these powerful anti-psychotic medications and don't try to tell me my job. If you experience any side effects, such as shooting your neighbors and then yourself, come back and see me about changing your dosage."


Probably what you were running into is, shrinks hate having the patient evaluate herself. See, you're not even a Ph.D. You're not supposed to have any objectivity on yourself, so most shrinks are trained to ignore what you say and stick with a diagnostic sheet. A shrink who knows aspies and auties, though, knows this: aspies and auties have AMAZING objectivity on their own state and are often very good at self-diagnosis. This has been noted by many experts, including Tony Attwood. A shrink who knows this will listen carefully to what you say and take it into consideration.

Good for you avoiding the drugs when you don't need them. I think a great number of DRs and shrinks are highly irresponsible with the way they prescribe. The mantra seems to be, "Had a bad day? Try Prozac!" More and more studies are showing how mind-altering many of these drugs are and the powerful side effects they can have. It's criminal to give them out at the drop of a hat to treat light or temporary problems, particularly ones that are situational rather than chemical.


By the by, Attwood also reports that aspies have on average five previous mis-diagnoses before they land on Asperger's, so don't get discouraged.


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11 Jan 2006, 8:48 pm

I cannot believe that story. I'd be so pissed off at that doctor - I probably would have had a breakdown in her office. I can't believe you're so well-adjusted you can laugh about it. Good for you. She sounds utterly incompetent at best, if not downright harmful. Are you going to take the meds she prescribed? I am appalled at the things she told you. By the way, I told a Psychiatrist last year I thought I had AS and he literally laughed at me. I couldn't believe it - what an a**hole. I never went back to him.

I agree with the other posters, you've got to find somebody who says they are comfortable diagnosing adults with asperger's. I made a few calls here and talked to psychologists (I think it's mainly PhD clinical psychologists here in the US that make the diagnoses - not the psychiatrists - although that is not the case here in Hawaii but I digress) and all the pros I talked to admitted that they'd had no experience in that area and so didn't feel comfortable seeing me for a diagnosis. so my point is that you do need to see an expert.

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11 Jan 2006, 9:51 pm

Ladysmokeater wrote:
This story in my persuit for the offical D'x and help socalizing gets weirder still....

I went to the shrink today for my "initial" visit. I told her everything that has been going on, what lead to my discovering Aspergers, and why I am seeking assistance now at the age of 28. She told me, and I kid you not, that I was "strange and different but not outwardly annoying", and that the reason I wasnt getting the socialization skills or hadnt ever developed them was because I was ADHD and "just havent been paying attention all these years" so I didnt "pick up on " those social ques. Oh she also said I shouldnt try so hard to "fit in" that I should "find a place to fit in".
Huh?
I have been failing at that for the past 28 years thats why Im here....duh!

Oh and she gave me a script for a ADHD med so that I could "pay attention to social ques and learn how to act". I told her I didnt want any anti-deperssants b/c they made me gain weight and I wasnt depressed. She said that my dr recomended me to her because of "depression". I told her that I wasnt, that it was socialization issues....

Then she handed me off to another theripist. This other guy, Dr. A, is supposed to be a kid AND adult shrink and she said that he will be able to pinpoint what part of my childhood those social ques were first not noticed and maybe help me with that. She also said that the ADHD med that she was putting me on helped people with Aspergers learn to focus and pick up on social ques.

huh?

She noted that I clearly had developmental issues, social problems, etc, almost an exact match for the aspergers D'x, but thinks that ADHD is why I am socially inept, and why I have the sensory issues, anxiety and developmental issues.

Huh?!

I even had my IEP's from school, testing scores, teacher evaluations, seperate D'xs for all the other problems that are part of Aspergers, and she didnt want to see that. She did want to see the Dear Abby article that got published that lead to this in the first place. (28 OCT 05, "over Educated in the south") She had a smirk on her face over the response though.

Im going to see if the other shrink has a clue (if insurance will cover him, it may not) and I have to go back to the first one in a month to "see if the meds are helping me socialize better". Tried ritilin a couple years back, didnt help then, and I told her that.

Anyone have any input here. Im still laughing my butt off at the "you need to find a place to fit in" (as if I havent been trying) and shaking my head at the "you're strange, and very different, but not outwardly annoing". My mom thought it was funny, my older sister thought it was a HOOT.

*shaking head*

strange, my shrink told me I was strange. I need that on a shirt. ...... "My shrink told me I was weird"...... :roll:

Welcome to the world of psychiatry. :roll: :x :(



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11 Jan 2006, 9:55 pm

sorry to hear you're having such a hard time....we had one doctor tell us that our son was " too high-functioning to have aspergers", and another told us that our son wanted friends, and therefore couldn't have aspergers........Duhhhhhhhhhh



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11 Jan 2006, 11:46 pm

I tried contacting the state autism group via email several times and never got a responce, so thats why I went to my family dr. He seemed very receptive, and admitted he didnt know enough to accuratly D'x me, so he recomended a dr in NC. My insurance wouldnt cover that dr, and I cant afford 200.00 an hour, so the second dr he recomended is in this current group. But that Dr only sees juviniles (one of the reasons my family dr wanted me to see him as there arent many adults d'xed as kids) but the group said that I couldnt see him b/c he is a kiddy shrink, so they sent me to Dr. W (the one that said I was strange). I googled for drs that deal with autistic adults in SC, and found none. I managed to find ONE DR 3 hours away, but she nolonger practices as best Ican tell b/c the email is no good, and there is no listing for her anymore in the yellowpages online. My family dr DID tell me that there really werent any great shrinks in Spartanburg (my county) and his nurse told me that my insurance doesnt cover but a few in the state (after looking in to this, she was right)
This is so insane its funny.
My dad was let in on the whole thing (we havent told him about the aspergers yet, we have to let him in on that slowly, he is stubborn and has a one track mind. ) mom told him I went to a shrink and I told him about the strange thing, he laughed and said "you wasted gas on that trip then huh?"
My family is supportive anyhow. My mom and I talked about it and she wants me to see what the other theripist, Dr A says, then go from there. She thinks taking the meds might be good as long as it doesnt make me talk as much and as fast as the ritillin did. :wink:
*sighs and shakes head*
I dont know what I want to do about the meds.... I might try the stuff and see what happpens, I dont expect a miricle, but to beable to focus a better might be nice. I havent decided though. Im going to have to sleep on that one for a day or two. Although im not sure that accually sleeping will make any difference... but I might think a bit on the whole thing a little more....



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12 Jan 2006, 5:48 am

First, can you demand a refund?
You (or your insurance) spent money on a shrink, you didn't go to a two drink minimum Comedy Club.
And it also sounds like she just retold what you have already stated, different words different take.
For sure, I would demand a refund

LSE, what is your goal again; why are you going to a shrink in the first place?

You want to focus better. I am not so sure if you have a problem focusing. I read your writing and it seems focused. Maybe its too much focus that is the concern. Too much focus on different things, rather than paying attention to social que's. I still do not see any problem. So what you do not interact with people all that well. Have you ever considered that people are very disappointing, therefore maybe you don't really like or trust people very much.
You probably do not pay close attention to how they act out of fear that you might be more like them. Maybe, people have given you reason...


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12 Jan 2006, 6:41 am

You need a new shrink.



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12 Jan 2006, 3:34 pm

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First, can you demand a refund?
You (or your insurance) spent money on a shrink, you didn't go to a two drink minimum Comedy Club.
And it also sounds like she just retold what you have already stated, different words different take.
For sure, I would demand a refund

LSE, what is your goal again; why are you going to a shrink in the first place?

You want to focus better. I am not so sure if you have a problem focusing. I read your writing and it seems focused. Maybe its too much focus that is the concern. Too much focus on different things, rather than paying attention to social que's. I still do not see any problem. So what you do not interact with people all that well. Have you ever considered that people are very disappointing, therefore maybe you don't really like or trust people very much.
You probably do not pay close attention to how they act out of fear that you might be more like them. Maybe, people have given you reason...


Well the social issues were the main thing that I went to the shrink for. To see if obtaining the offical d'x might lead to a way to teach me to interact better.

I dont think I can ask for a refund. But I can find another shrink. I am going to try the thereipist she wants me to see, ONCE, and see how that goes. The whole thing is crazy. I wouldnt mind beingable to focus better, but more thought leads me to think that focus isnt the biggest problem. Anyhow, you may have a point about other people.... that is an intresting way to look at it! :wink:



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12 Jan 2006, 3:51 pm

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You want to focus better. I am not so sure if you have a problem focusing. I read your writing and it seems focused. Maybe its too much focus that is the concern. Too much focus on different things, rather than paying attention to social que's. I still do not see any problem. So what you do not interact with people all that well. Have you ever considered that people are very disappointing, therefore maybe you don't really like or trust people very much.
You probably do not pay close attention to how they act out of fear that you might be more like them. Maybe, people have given you reason...


Isn't "too much focus on different things" really just another way of saying "unable to focus"? If you're focusing on a bunch of other stuff your attention isn't really focused...

Also I'd be leary of judging someone's focus based on how they write. For examle I tend to sit and spend a fair amount of time reorganizing and rewriting before I click "post"...if you ever read one of my first drafts you might be surprised how much more all over the place it is compared to the final product. :)

As to the part about people I can see where you're coming from there, but I don't think that's the problem in her case. It might *seem* that way to someone at first glance, but then a lot of aspies don't like or trust people very much BECAUSE we can't pick up the proper social cues that let us interact with others properly, and not the other way around. It's important to establish the direction of causality in this case.


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12 Jan 2006, 5:43 pm

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You want to focus better. I am not so sure if you have a problem focusing. I read your writing and it seems focused. Maybe its too much Isn't "too much focus on different things" really just another way of saying "unable to focus"? If you're focusing on a bunch of other stuff your attention isn't really focused...focus that is the concern. Too much focus on different things, rather than paying attention to social que's. I still do not see any problem. So what you do not interact with people all that well. Have you ever considered that people are very disappointing, therefore maybe you don't really like or trust people very much.
You probably do not pay close attention to how they act out of fear that you might be more like them. Maybe, people have given you reason...




Also I'd be leary of judging someone's focus based on how they write. For examle I tend to sit and spend a fair amount of time reorganizing and rewriting before I click "post"...if you ever read one of my first drafts you might be surprised how much more all over the place it is compared to the final product. :)

As to the part about people I can see where you're coming from there, but I don't think that's the problem in her case. It might *seem* that way to someone at first glance, but then a lot of aspies don't like or trust people very much BECAUSE we can't pick up the proper social cues that let us interact with others properly, and not the other way around. It's important to establish the direction of causality in this case.


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Isn't "too much focus on different things" really just another way of saying "unable to focus"? If you're focusing on a bunch of other stuff your attention isn't really focused...
I should have written, "Intense focus on selective interrests." I personally cannot multitask, i wouldn't give advice to the alternate.

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Also I'd be leary of judging someone's focus based on how they write.

Not judging! To me it seems like her words come across clear and to the point. And is not all over the place. That is one i the reasons i assumed that she may be intense in her focus on selective interrests.

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As to the part about people I can see where you're coming from there, but I don't think that's the problem in her case. It might *seem* that way to someone at first glance, but then a lot of aspies don't like or trust people very much BECAUSE we can't pick up the proper social cues that let us interact with others properly, and not the other way around. It's important to establish the direction of causality in this case.


My point was because AS people do not really trust others and are leary of them that we subconsciencely do not pay attention to non verbal or other social que's for fear that they may rub off on us and we might begin to do the same, and that would not agree to our moral code of honesty. (and that was a generalized statement)
I do believe that one of our core 'start up challenges is our need for truth in most, if not all things.
And i am offering advice, of course from my own biases and prejudices.
However, i didn't get paid $200 bucks for 30 minutes. And i also tried to give her new food for thought rather than just changing the words that she already revealed.

Its all about ones own perception of self. And i think a shrink is lazy to retell whats been told. Why not offer alternatives, give someone something else to consider, and apply to themselves [/i]if applicable?

Good luck LSE,
you have a great mind.
i suspect you can help yourself more than any quack can.
Maybe you need to prioritize, and find out for yourself, what you really want, and what is possible.

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12 Jan 2006, 6:00 pm

That's not good.

I hope things work out.


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12 Jan 2006, 8:23 pm

SB2 wrote:
Not judging! To me it seems like her words come across clear and to the point. And is not all over the place. That is one i the reasons i assumed that she may be intense in her focus on selective interrests.


Sorry, I think "judging" was a poor choice of words on my part...in retrospect it seems like too strong of a statement.

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My point was because AS people do not really trust others and are leary of them that we subconsciencely do not pay attention to non verbal or other social que's for fear that they may rub off on us and we might begin to do the same, and that would not agree to our moral code of honesty. (and that was a generalized statement)


I'm not sure I agree with this. While it may be true for some people I certainly don't believe it's true for the aspie population in general. Much of the body language and subtle nonverbal cues are something that an NT would pick up subconsciously but that aspies do not because our brains simply don't have the right wiring for it. We can certainly learn to see them consciously, and many people do so quite successfully, but that doesn't mean that the reason we don't see them naturally is because we're ignoring them on some level.


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13 Jan 2006, 2:31 am

larsenjw92286 wrote:
That's not good.

I hope things work out.


I feel the same.


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13 Jan 2006, 4:19 pm

That still holds true.

Please keep us posted.


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