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ebec11
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30 Sep 2009, 12:45 pm

Right now I'm playing Fire Red (again), and I am thinking of using Dragonite instead of Gyarados this time. What are the strengths and weaknesses of each one?
EDIT: Also, what moves do you think the one you're recommending should learn?



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30 Sep 2009, 1:03 pm

Well as just a base ice attacks are four times the normal strength to Dragonite, and electric attacks are four times normal strength to Gyarados. Dragonite can also use fly, but Gyarados's effect is better.


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30 Sep 2009, 1:07 pm

Dragonite over gyarados, Dragonite is cute<3 + He is a b*tch in the elite 4 rematch because Lance then uses them in lvl 70.



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30 Sep 2009, 1:10 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
Well as just a base ice attacks are four times the normal strength to Dragonite, and electric attacks are four times normal strength to Gyarados. Dragonite can also use fly, but Gyarados's effect is better.
So you're saying that ice is 4x weak for Dragonite? I didn't know that :P But Electric is more common...
Is there Ice in the Elite Four? I completely forget, my memory is dead :P



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30 Sep 2009, 1:15 pm

Dragonite's type is Dragon and flying, and both are weak to ice type attacks. I am trying to remember myself if their is any in the elite four. I think that at least some Dewgong aswell as Gyarados and Aerodactle know Ice Fang. Which can be a nasty hit, though that is also a tip against other Dragonites.


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30 Sep 2009, 1:20 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
Dragonite's type is Dragon and flying, and both are weak to ice type attacks. I am trying to remember myself if their is any in the elite four. I think that at least some Dewgong aswell as Gyarados and Aerodactle know Ice Fang. Which can be a nasty hit, though that is also a tip against other Dragonites.
Thanks :D I'll use a fire pokemon instead of Dragonite when Dewgong and Aerodactle come out, though I'm not sure what I'll do for Gyarados. Probably Raichu if he's still strong enough for the Elite Four.



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30 Sep 2009, 1:21 pm

I had A Dragonite among my mokemon red team, it had VERY high defense, and it can learn many different types of attacks, + having few weaknesses, it's possibly one of the best non-legendary pokemon in those games 8)

Dragon types are resistant against many elements, so it makes Dragonite one of my favs, NO DOUBT 8)



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30 Sep 2009, 1:28 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I had A Dragonite among my mokemon red team, it had VERY high defense, and it can learn many different types of attacks, + having few weaknesses, it's possibly one of the best non-legendary pokemon in those games 8)

Dragon types are resistant against many elements, so it makes Dragonite one of my favs, NO DOUBT 8)
*nods* Thank you :D I guess it just has a weak defense as a Dratini, as a Dragonair, it's doing much better. Still not as good on defense as I would like though.
I don't usually use legendaries (it makes me feel like I'm cheating for some reason) :P So it's good to use really good non-legendary pokemon.
One thing I was thinking of was if I used Gyarados, it has a Dragon attack without being Dragon (and Dragons are weak against Dragon attacks), so against Lance (he's the one with the dragon pokemon, right?), Gyarados would be very effective.



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30 Sep 2009, 1:46 pm

Dragonite is definitely more powerful and versatile (element-wise) than Gyarados, but it is more of a pain in the ass leveling up a Dragonair to finally evolve into a Dragonite than doing the same with a Magikarp. By the time I finally had a Dragonite when I played the games (ten years ago) I had already beaten the Elite Four many times over anyway.



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30 Sep 2009, 1:57 pm

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30 Sep 2009, 2:24 pm

The thing I like about gyarados is that it's the only easy pokemon you can find who "shines"

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30 Sep 2009, 4:20 pm

Yeah, shiny Gyarados are a pain to find in the new gen games (though in Heart Gold/Soul Silver everyone gets one again.)

The shiny Magikarp turns into red Gyarados once you've evolved it.

Here's the rundown of Dragonite:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/149.shtml

If feel like starting with a new Dratini, you may want to consider breeding Dragon Dance onto it, but if you're too high of level to want to go back, use TM to teach Dragonite Flamethrower so it can handle Ice types a little better.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/130.shtml

That's some info on Gyarados. Make sure to teach it Earthquake for an edge against Electric types.

It can also learn Thunder Bolt or Thunder for a hit against flyers if you're going for more coverage, but Gyarados' special attack is pretty low. The only rock move it can get is Sandstorm, which hurts him just as badly.


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30 Sep 2009, 4:48 pm

I wouldn't recommend using Gyarados. Before the fourth gen games all water attacks were special and Gyarados has a very low special attack stat. Flying moves are physical, but Gyarados doesn't learn any good STAB flying moves. Dragonite has a high attack stat, but like Gyarados a lot of it's good moves are special. Dragonite at least has a decent special attack stat though.



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30 Sep 2009, 4:56 pm

Hector wrote:
Dragonite is definitely more powerful and versatile (element-wise) than Gyarados, but it is more of a pain in the ass leveling up a Dragonair to finally evolve into a Dragonite than doing the same with a Magikarp. By the time I finally had a Dragonite when I played the games (ten years ago) I had already beaten the Elite Four many times over anyway.
It's level 55 I believe (I checked an online pokedex), which is going to be a pain. I do love evolving though, and I find myself less interested in pokemon after all my pokemon are evolved :P So maybe I'll be able to beat the Elite Four twice, I've only done it once before because usually I lose interest :D

Skittles, I'm not sure what you mean by breeding Dragon Dance onto it. I didn't know you could breed pokemon...oh, is it with the Daycare Center?



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30 Sep 2009, 10:55 pm

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Skittles, I'm not sure what you mean by breeding Dragon Dance onto it. I didn't know you could breed pokemon...oh, is it with the Daycare Center?
It involves putting two pokemon of different genders and same egg group in the day care center. The after a while an egg will be left, and from the egg it will be the type of pokemon from the females evolution line, and learn certain moves from the male line. What skittles is saying is to have a female Dratini, Gragonair or Dragonite, and put it in the Daycare center with a male pokemon in Dragon egg group and knows the move Dragon Dance. Best choice I think is Gyarados, maybe if you're past one you used was a male you can use that.


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01 Oct 2009, 4:20 pm

http://www.smogon.com/rs/pokemon/dragonite

I would definitely recommend the SubPuncher set, since all 4 of the moves involved are relatively easy to find in FireRed (3 TM's, one Move Tutor).

Gyarados is an absolute MONSTER in the fourth generation (when it finally got some physical Water-type moves to work with), but in the third generation, I would definitely go with Dragonite.

And just a helpful hint, ALL the fully evolved, non-legendary dragons other than Kingdra are 4x weak to Ice.


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