Are there real physical differences with Aspergers?

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13 Nov 2011, 4:49 pm

"Asymmetry of the eyes"

Wow, I've always thought that about my eyes.



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13 Nov 2011, 4:54 pm

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I found some interesting links:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20473590
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J Autism Dev Disord. 2011 Jan;41(1):23-31.
Morphological features in children with autism spectrum disorders: a matched case-control study.

Abstract

This study was designed to examine morphological features in a large group of children with autism spectrum disorder versus normal controls. Amongst 421 patients and 1,007 controls, 224 matched pairs were created. Prevalence rates and odds ratios were analyzed by conditional regression analysis, McNemar test or paired t-test matched pairs. Morphological abnormalities were significantly more prevalent in patients with autism than in the normal control group and 48 morphological features distinguished patients from controls. Our findings show that morphological features are associated with autism. Exploring potential underlying genetic mechanisms of this association might lead to a better understanding of autism.


And this blog post summarizes the above article:

http://daisymayfattypants.blogspot.com/ ... es-of.html
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Are there really physical features of autism?
A study that came out in May compared 224 autistic children with intelligence in the normal range and 224 age-matched non-autistic children. According to their findings, several features occurred among the group of autistic children but were absent among the neurotypical group, including:

* Brachycephaly (flat, wide head; TH had this from back sleeping, but his fontanelles didn't close until very late, rather than too early)
* Mouth asymmetry
* Ear lobe crease
* Asymmetry of the eyes
* A large mouth
* Limited facial expression (only in new social situations)
* An abnormal whorl (TH has a piebald hair color distribution; he has a neurotypical cousin with double whorls)
* A prominent lower jaw

Further, certain features occurred in the ASD group with relatively high frequency, including:

* Sandal gap toes
* An abnormal frontal hair whorl
* Attached earlobes
* A high, narrow palate
* Hypermobile joints

According to one report on the study, these features were more common among boys with ASD compared to girls, and the authors draw a potential link to copy number variations, or CNVs, a focus that has moved to the fore in responsible autism research. In brief, carrying different numbers of copies of the same DNA sequence might produce different outcomes or combinations of outcomes.

I've boldfaced the features that TH shares with these children. How do you or your child stack up?
Posted by Emily at 5:37 PM


I definitely don't have a large jaw or mouth, and I don't think I'm hypermobile, but I think I fit most of the rest of that list.

I guess these "hey, I got a funny bump on my head, is that related to ASD?" threads aren't always ridiculous. :)


I don't have most of those traits. From the way they worded it it appears that some things that may cause autism may also cause physical deformities, or that Autists have more variety than NTs.


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13 Nov 2011, 4:55 pm

I was mainly wondering about the lack of tonsils, increased bone strength, and the extra wide sternum.



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13 Nov 2011, 5:13 pm

i have none of the OP's traits and none of the traits in the study.



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13 Nov 2011, 5:18 pm

I don't have any of those traits listed. I had tonsils, but mine were faulty I guess. I had mine out when I was about 5 and as soon as they took them out, I developed every food allergy known to man. I didn't swell, but everything caused such excessive mucos that not only could I not breath through my nose, but it would get into my lungs and I would develop pneumonia. Needless to say I had a very limited diet. I was also in the hospital several times a year for a week or so at a time due to respiratory problems. They drew so much blood and I had so many IV's over and over until I was about 12 and suddenly outgrew the allergies, that my veins are still sclerosed, like a junkie's. To this day they can only draw blood or start an IV in my hand, because the hand is not the best place to stick a kid because of that extra layer of baby fat.

I've also got a very high metabolism. No matter what I eat, I'm thin. Between about 13 and 18 I did everything I could to gain weight. I drank protein powder, stuffed the food in, everything. My endocrine system was fine, of course it was checked. There was nothing I could do about it. I wore a size 0 for years and I would get so mad when my girlfriends who had problems staying in a 7 or 9 would tell me how jealous they were. I would have killed to have some meat on my bones and curves. I'm still thin. At 47 I'm 5-8 and weigh 122. I don't diet, I don't watch what I eat. Never have. It's just a wierd super metabolism I suppose.

I have a rapid heart rate, always. My baseline is about 110 resting. It always has been, and yes, I've seen a cardiologist in the past. It's normal for me. Every time I go to a new Dr, they want an EKG. Fine, do your EKG. It's normal. I also have a very low blood pressure. 90/60 is my baseline. It's pretty fun to watch their eyes get big when I go to the ER with something and they take my vitals. High heart rate and low blood pressure indicate internal bleeding. Which I do not have. Sometimes I tell them beforehand what I usually run, other times I just enjoy their reaction. It really depends on the nurse's attitude. One thing about those readings is that if I don't tell her it's normal, she hurries the Doctor right in to see me after about ten minutes and I don't have to wait long. I inform him/her what my normal vitals are. Then we talk about what brought me there today.

My appendix was in the wrong place. It was too high.

I'm very flexible. At 47 I can still do the splits (both ways) and straighten my leg out fully over my head with no pain or strain, after doing two or three minutes of warm up stretching. However, I have no balance at all. None. Forget it. I'll trip and fall walking across a flat surface completely sober in a brightly lit room with no obstacles. I'll walk right into a door frame or wall that I'm looking right at while I'm walking. I've broken every toe on my foot at least twice. When we lived in a two story house, I fell down the carpeted stairs at least four times a year. I don't seem to get hurt very easily either, even with all that falling. Bruises, yeah. Soreness, yeah. Abrasions, yeah. I've had one broken bone in my life, in first grade. Other than the toes. I've hit my head HARD many, many times, and lost a lot of blood that way because scalp wounds bleed a lot, but never lost consciousness.

So, other than those, I'm normal. But then, everybody, Aspie, Autie or NT has their own physical quirks.

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13 Nov 2011, 5:40 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I've also got a very high metabolism. No matter what I eat, I'm thin...I have a rapid heart rate, always....I'm very flexible... I've hit my head HARD many, many times, and lost a lot of blood that way because scalp wounds bleed a lot, but never lost consciousness.
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I too stay in shape regardless of what I do it seems, but people point out I am rarely in my chair for more than 10 minutes.
My heart rate is only about 65.
I too am very flexible at 47, but an unrelated muscular condition causes me problems.
I have never lost consciousness either, even after some major body and head blows.

So I am guessing the chest plate armor and missing tonsils aren't indicators then.



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13 Nov 2011, 6:06 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I don't have any of those traits listed. I had tonsils, but mine were faulty I guess. I had mine out when I was about 5 and as soon as they took them out, I developed every food allergy known to man. I didn't swell, but everything caused such excessive mucos that not only could I not breath through my nose, but it would get into my lungs and I would develop pneumonia. Needless to say I had a very limited diet. I was also in the hospital several times a year for a week or so at a time due to respiratory problems. They drew so much blood and I had so many IV's over and over until I was about 12 and suddenly outgrew the allergies, that my veins are still sclerosed, like a junkie's. To this day they can only draw blood or start an IV in my hand, because the hand is not the best place to stick a kid because of that extra layer of baby fat.

I've also got a very high metabolism. No matter what I eat, I'm thin. Between about 13 and 18 I did everything I could to gain weight. I drank protein powder, stuffed the food in, everything. My endocrine system was fine, of course it was checked. There was nothing I could do about it. I wore a size 0 for years and I would get so mad when my girlfriends who had problems staying in a 7 or 9 would tell me how jealous they were. I would have killed to have some meat on my bones and curves. I'm still thin. At 47 I'm 5-8 and weigh 122. I don't diet, I don't watch what I eat. Never have. It's just a wierd super metabolism I suppose.

I have a rapid heart rate, always. My baseline is about 110 resting. It always has been, and yes, I've seen a cardiologist in the past. It's normal for me. Every time I go to a new Dr, they want an EKG. Fine, do your EKG. It's normal. I also have a very low blood pressure. 90/60 is my baseline. It's pretty fun to watch their eyes get big when I go to the ER with something and they take my vitals. High heart rate and low blood pressure indicate internal bleeding. Which I do not have. Sometimes I tell them beforehand what I usually run, other times I just enjoy their reaction. It really depends on the nurse's attitude. One thing about those readings is that if I don't tell her it's normal, she hurries the Doctor right in to see me after about ten minutes and I don't have to wait long. I inform him/her what my normal vitals are. Then we talk about what brought me there today.

My appendix was in the wrong place. It was too high.

I'm very flexible. At 47 I can still do the splits (both ways) and straighten my leg out fully over my head with no pain or strain, after doing two or three minutes of warm up stretching. However, I have no balance at all. None. Forget it. I'll trip and fall walking across a flat surface completely sober in a brightly lit room with no obstacles. I'll walk right into a door frame or wall that I'm looking right at while I'm walking. I've broken every toe on my foot at least twice. When we lived in a two story house, I fell down the carpeted stairs at least four times a year. I don't seem to get hurt very easily either, even with all that falling. Bruises, yeah. Soreness, yeah. Abrasions, yeah. I've had one broken bone in my life, in first grade. Other than the toes. I've hit my head HARD many, many times, and lost a lot of blood that way because scalp wounds bleed a lot, but never lost consciousness.

So, other than those, I'm normal. But then, everybody, Aspie, Autie or NT has their own physical quirks.

Frances




I want my tonsils out, but now that I read your post, I'm second guessing my decision. I already have food allergies, am naturally thin, and have a fast heart beat like you. I've been a size 0-2 my whole life, though I have gained a little weight for brief amounts of time. Some doctors encourage it, while others say they more good than bad. I'm going with the latter now.


As for super strength and healing, I still keep on finding commonalities between autism physical characteristics and neanderthals. Some don't match up, but others seem strikingly similar.


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13 Nov 2011, 6:12 pm

Interesting thread....I too haven't lost consciousness despite very serious head injury, including hitting a roll bar doing a high speed crash and a curb during a biking accident. Also don't bruise and cuts heal fairly quickly. My eyes and my mouth lack symmetry to a significant degree if examined closely. I use to be fairly flexible, but have other conditions effecting that. My head is proportionally larger than most as at 5'10" I usually have to go to the largest or 2nd largest commonly manufactured hat size. Again, interesting thoughts.



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13 Nov 2011, 7:22 pm

Very interesting to see what others are saying about never having lost consciousness before - add me to the club, and I've been in situations where the number of drugs/alcohol I consumed would almost definitely knock anyone else out.



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13 Nov 2011, 7:55 pm

Here are a few visuals- I have the sandal gap toes. I call them my prehensile toes. They can be very useful. Seems I have the earlobe crease too. I don't know if I have an occipital bun or not but I do have the 2D4D finger ratio thing.

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13 Nov 2011, 7:58 pm

Im double jointed and have parcial hypermobility.
my finger nails grow a lot faster than normal peoples, and theyre a lot stronger than normal peoples. and I dont drink Milk.
I have a double ankle on both feet.



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13 Nov 2011, 8:17 pm

Teredia wrote:
Im double jointed and have parcial hypermobility.
my finger nails grow a lot faster than normal peoples, and theyre a lot stronger than normal peoples. and I dont drink Milk.
I have a double ankle on both feet.


My former wife called mine Kryptonite nails, I can cut through most any plastic with them. I rarely drink milk as well.



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13 Nov 2011, 8:43 pm

I was born with a cleft pallet of the hard and soft, I am hyper mobile (and have been used to demonstrate the characteristic at several physical therapy offices I've been to), I have never broken a bone, I have taken a significant hit to the head recently and suffered only mild confusion, I don't scar easily and my scars usually heal up after awhile, I have thoracic outlet syndrome which affects my nerves, I don't know if I fit the "sandal gap" toe thing but I can place my index finger between my big toe and the others, I have very long fingers and toes (and I can write with my toes - embarrassing story)... I think that about sums up the physical characteristics... Oh, I used to have a very high metabolism (I could eat any and everything) and was thin - weighed 113 until my second year of college at 5' 6".

I get muscle spasms that feel like heart attacks due to stress and muscle tightness (a bit of chicken and egg as to which comes first).


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13 Nov 2011, 9:02 pm

shrox wrote:
Teredia wrote:
Im double jointed and have parcial hypermobility.
my finger nails grow a lot faster than normal peoples, and theyre a lot stronger than normal peoples. and I dont drink Milk.
I have a double ankle on both feet.


My former wife called mine Kryptonite nails, I can cut through most any plastic with them. I rarely drink milk as well.

yeah i file my thumb nails to an almost point and use them to get into most plastic packagings except hard plasics... >.< those are evil. the edges are also good for that too ive found.



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13 Nov 2011, 10:44 pm

Teredia wrote:
my finger nails grow a lot faster than normal peoples, and theyre a lot stronger than normal peoples. and I dont drink Milk.

Me too. Unfortunately I also despise the feeling of having my nails cut.



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13 Nov 2011, 11:03 pm

shrox wrote:
I was mainly wondering about the lack of tonsils, increased bone strength, and the extra wide sternum.

Sorry about the thread derail.

I do have tonsils, and I'm not sure if my sternum is unusual. I've never broken a bone, but I was never hugely athletic (did do 10 miles a day on a bike for 10 years, though) so maybe the opportunity never came up. I used to heal quickly from nicks and cuts from working on my car or doing woodwork and such but that has slowed down with age.