my WAP died, got a mesh+ad-hoc wifi network up and running

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28 Dec 2008, 9:31 am

all of my machines apart from the fileserver have wireless network access, they have been setup using a combination of mesh and ad-hoc networks to work, they all run linux and thus work with out any problem at all the situation now is that my mothers laptop, which runs XP does not accept packets from the Ad-hoc network, anyone had a similar experience?

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28 Dec 2008, 11:04 am

Wait, your weak anthropic principle died?

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28 Dec 2008, 12:53 pm

Daedulus wrote:

the situation now is that my mothers laptop, which runs XP does not accept packets from the Ad-hoc network, anyone had a similar experience?

So let me get this right.... you screwed your mothers access to the internet over so you could play with something thats useless in a home enviroment for the purpose of bragging on wrongplanet.....

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28 Dec 2008, 1:26 pm

No, windows fails to connect to an industry standard Ad-Hoc network configuration.
Matter has since been resolved she is now using ethernet to access it.
I was hoping some had experienced similar issues, but if all I get are wild accusations about my actions then I can surely expect none from the likes of you.

WAP = Wireless Access Point

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28 Dec 2008, 1:35 pm

Have you got all the correct protocols set correctly on the server? That's one possibility. What level of security do you have? could be anything from 'none' to access only allowed by MAC address. See if you can 'repair' the connection on her system (I'm sure you already have, I'm just sort of going through the checkoffs...

could be lots of things. Worst case, Cat 5 or 6 cable's available at Radio Shack, and most systems have a built-in NIC...

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28 Dec 2008, 2:01 pm

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First off I know what a WAP is... I have mutliple certifications in computers and have worked for several years at a very large school districts information technology unit......

Now if you knew anything about the technology you were using you would know that:

* Security on an Ad-Hoc network is practically non-existant, unless using some sort of packet filtering software,
* Adhoc networks are literally useless in the application your wanting.... they offer way less packet correction, no encryption
* Ad-Hoc networks are not industry standard.... they are industry discouraged for the above reasons.
* Get a cheap WAP (You can find them for under $20) - and if you want to play around with making it really nice put something like Tomato on it.

Also, what are you 18? I would highly suggest you learn what the hell you are talking about before you go snapping of on someone that has plenty of damn experience in the field.

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28 Dec 2008, 4:10 pm

eh it hardly matters, I managed to fix the WAP, the damn power socket came loose due to the heat and needed to be soldered back on.
however that windows will not receive packets from a ad-hoc network is terribly confusing and unexpected considering every other machine on my network with a variety of cards worked, I had disabled all security on the machine because I run everything above in a openVPN layer above it.

btw good job on the pretentious attitude messygeek, it is quite refreshing.
amazing powers of observation, considering I am actually 18 and it states so in my profile. I have been using computers since I was about 5 and it is my aspie focus so to speak. of course I forget not to expect polite civilised conversation on the internet.
pretty sure that Infra-structure mode and Ad-hoc mode are mentioned and referenced in the IEEE 802.11 Standard. could be wrong, 14.5Mb download is a pain in the rear.

thanks for the advice, pakled. using standard IPv4 as the base transport protocol, the machines are set into the proverbial promiscuous mode accepting all packets from all sources (no security), the microsoft repair system for Wireless did nothing as usual.

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28 Dec 2008, 4:38 pm

Daedulus wrote:

pretty sure that Infra-structure mode and Ad-hoc mode are mentioned and referenced in the IEEE 802.11 Standard. could be wrong, 14.5Mb download is a pain in the rear.

thanks for the advice, pakled. using standard IPv4 as the base transport protocol, the machines are set into the proverbial promiscuous mode accepting all packets from all sources (no security), the microsoft repair system for Wireless did nothing as usual.

Yes there are many standards mentioned in the 802.11 standards, that does not mean its an industry standard. Most standards listed in their ever see the day of light.

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28 Dec 2008, 6:39 pm

Well all I can say is when getting a router go with something like Cisco. You also might want to use Samba to use Windows reconized protocols that can also be accessed by linix.

Use packets and protocals that can be accessed on all platforms. Not everyone uses the same OS.

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01 Jan 2009, 6:38 pm

Daedulus wrote:

Thats because Windows is designed for the Home User. Not a huge corporation and a bunch of computer hobbyist. Most people don't use Ad-Hoc networks at home or at work. So Microsoft felt it was useless making that particular protocal accessible with End-User versions of Windows.

However in Windows Server & Pro Versions of Windows you get more in the line of that stuff.

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02 Jan 2009, 12:11 pm

gamefreak wrote:

Daedulus wrote:

Interesting... that both of you capitalise, and hyphenate, turning "ad hoc" into "Ad-hoc", as if it was a brand name, of some sort.

There have been many sorts of network. The fact is that Windows was never designed. It certainly has very little by way of networking. Of course, as it was never meant to be anything but a single user toy, it has no security to speak of.

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03 Jan 2009, 12:25 am

just to shut down the point of gamefreak the copy on my mothers laptop is XP Pro SP3 so that falls flat, either way the thing works again but I may have to investigate further for the sake of understanding, I do use CIFS/SMB protocol for my mothers laptop and it can speak fluent NFS as well.

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03 Jan 2009, 4:28 pm

Daedulus wrote:

What Router are you using and what Wireless Card does your mom have. Also Ad-Hoc makes it where you have to access another computer on the home network.

Can you give me details on all the computers on the network & what settings is your network set on when it comes to networking and domaining.

In some cases if you have a Ad-Hoc network you have to Domain the computer to the main computer on the network or set it up like a workgroup.

Also certain computers that where not already configured for your network. Like your friends laptop as an example. You will have to set it up to access that network.

I highly doubt it has to do with the fact that you are using Windows. I got Macs & Windows Computer on a network where the main server was Ubuntu Server. Operating Ststems rarely have to do with networking. In most cases networking is the same no matter what you have.

Windows has never been too much of a hassle when it comes to networking. A bit unsecure a times but overall good security software, most of it free should take care of those shortcomings.

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10 Jan 2009, 4:30 pm

You're welcome. Never got into IP v6...I can't memorize something that long...
I deal with wired networks all day long, which isn't that big a qualification...

Glad you found the problem. The more you know, the less likely you are to look for something simple...at least for me...

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10 Jan 2009, 10:10 pm

I normally maintain the network of various neighbours in my area, with machines ranging from Mac to Windows. I find that Windows is more often then not extremely difficult to network with any other platform than windows, case being the various NAS systems you can buy, one of them I believe it is produced by western digital has a Tb of storage, that one can not store videos/music/images on, which ran a proprietary software solution for the file transfer system, windows was dead to it, thankfully it was not at all difficult to get samba to provide SMB services and windows was happy again, but bloody hell, the inflexibility of Microsoft Products are extremely inconvenient, to a poor linux man like myself.

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13 Feb 2009, 4:01 am

my mother's laptop does not even connect to a WAP running WPA2-PSK using TKIP.... Sounds more and more like MS to me then anything else considering everyother device in the house connects and and it also connects under my live cd....

sorry for the bump but has any experienced similiar on IBM Lenovo Thinkpad T60s?

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