Griefing.... yes I'm one of those team killers that you hate

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08 Jul 2010, 2:08 am

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It's just black comedy man. That's all. Surly you enjoy watching people in movies get hurt, do clumsy things. Like that's what made Al Bundy funny, because he always gets griefed by life.


Fair enough, can't say that's my kind of humor. Could be why I don't get it. As I said in my first post I'm glad you do have fun. Perhaps boring was the wrong word to use. I'm not having a dig at you. I just don't get it.

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08 Jul 2010, 3:06 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r74mQJK6N8M&feature=related[/youtube]

They try to run the team killer over.

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I hate "griefers" or whatever. There was this guy in CounterStrike that would ALWAYS toss a flashbang at either the beginning of the match or right before we storm a building, giving away our position.

I also hate the guys in racing games that think its funny to drive the opposite way or to purposely wreck you....bleh.


I don't see the fun you get in it.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOq26B-ckCc[/youtube]

racing greifing. Where drivers park their cars on the track drive the wrong way. But normally the game will automatically boot you if you drive like an idiot.



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08 Jul 2010, 4:11 am

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>>>By boring, do you mean me earning a medal, a Gold level with the Duke of Edinburgh Award, and serving as a fun loving Rotarian, while doing out door sports, and mentoring young offenders, researching and posting meaningfully to wikipedia, and being a "joy" to people, saving a dying person on her death bed (bone marrow), and 150 others, etc etc etc. Then yes, I am a dull boring person.



No, I mean you get times when life is so boring things like this are fun even if alot of the time life is fun for other reasons.

I never said YOU were dull and boring.

Could be I just don't understand the fun of it? I'd have to be almost comatose bored to even think of doing it.

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09 Jul 2010, 3:02 am

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8O Wow......I had no idea some peoples lives were so boring you need to do stuff like this for entertainment.

I feel sorry for you but I'm glad you have something I suppose. My life seems so much better now. Thank you.

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Working at the telescope can be quite slow paced at times. I need SOME way to pass the time while I wait for data to be collected :P. You'd be surprised at the kind of lives that griefers actually live, it's not at all that boring or lonely. Many are actually very successful.

Besides which, it's just a game. It's not like (most) griefers hack the server or something. I've had to deal with hackers before, now they really do ruin the game.


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09 Jul 2010, 3:08 am

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ellomo wrote:
8O Wow......I had no idea some peoples lives were so boring you need to do stuff like this for entertainment.

I feel sorry for you but I'm glad you have something I suppose. My life seems so much better now. Thank you.

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Working at the telescope can be quite slow paced at times. I need SOME way to pass the time while I wait for data to be collected :P. You'd be surprised at the kind of lives that griefers actually live, it's not at all that boring or lonely. Many are actually very successful.

Besides which, it's just a game. It's not like (most) griefers hack the server or something. I've had to deal with hackers before, now they really do ruin the game.



Same as I said a few post back......

Fair enough, can't say that's my kind of humor. Could be why I don't get it. As I said in my first post I'm glad you do have fun. Perhaps boring was the wrong word to use. I'm not having a dig at you. I just don't get it.

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10 Jul 2010, 12:18 am

Griefer's don't bother me. At least they don't make much effort to mess with people and that shows that they have lives. Hackers on the other hand(like in Star wars Battlefront Elite Squadron) are different.



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29 Sep 2014, 4:18 am

Since I'm getting what I want out of the experiment! I've decided to extend my product lines! to other games like Utopia and Mythea. My favorite way of griefing is to team kill a player who has just returned to "Utopia" and "Mythea" after a long absence! These games are like 20 years old and were around since the internet was in it's infancy! As graphical internet gaming is replacing these old text based games. (Remember this was a time before World of Warcraft 3 and Other multiplayer games), players go on to other things offline... But I'm glad to welcome them back to the game.

I will be learning how to make lets plays for other graphical games!

But because the text games are slowly dying out, My lets play videos may be all that's left for the world to remind them of.

My favorite thing to do with team killing. Is goad them into making racist and homophobic statements, just by me killing them off, and teasing them. (with pg -13 rated clean language). Then they break the rules and swear like very colourfully and call me homophobic things.. gross things...Like vile potty humor. Then they're suspended...

I plan to make team killing videos of my game play of using all units of Star craft units... My youtube account Gol go gin will be a unique nexus of my creative energies. As I make videos of me driving night time driving throug cities in Americanada. for music m83's Midnight City. And animations of novels I feel that should have been movies or should be known. John Belaris, Victim Prime, and Crysalids...

Like I post Links of my team killing adventures,When the gig is up , when on utopia They know that I'm team killing them, and then then I post links to further make them mad at me. To further tease them. This infuriates them. And they leave colourful messages on my youtubes. This feeds me! the madder they get. The more upticks of blood pressure... This feeds me

Then they rage quit. Then I get what I want.

8 bit music rendering of great songs that nobody did yet... all on my youtube soon.

Like on Left 4 Dead, I usually just shoot them when they're ready to board the rescue vehicle, like helicopter. Then they worked so hard for an hour. Only to end up dead. And the final message saying "In Memory of.... (the player)"... I'm the greatest. team killer I'm simply the best. Because I expand... I grow! For instance, you have Star Craft. I build my gas on their vespine guysers. Then I even harvest THEIR resources. Basically slow them up. Then I attack them with my air and stuff. Like when they're trying hard to elevate up the game ladder. There I am team killing them... I'm the greatest. I'm the Chow Hogan (old team killing clan me and my school mates founded, I'm probably the last member).

I hope to extend to Sims, where I can become a murderer. and kill everyone! I know I can do that on Cantr2. I want humanity's last memory of text based games. to be me, and my sexy voice! my beautiful voice! and my sexy face (occasionally), When I post video captures (that is if my program allows me). I'm simply the greatest.... When people look up these text games...Like I already write on Wikipedia, and I'm taking up a sport, and working towards joining the Reserves.... and soon to be funny author... I found my niech. To do weird stuff.... :P

Believe me writing to Serial Killers to be a little neuron of theirs (hard drive memory space).....Im already in many of these victim's spaces.



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29 Sep 2014, 5:43 am

Pathetic, really. People like you are the problem with so many gaming communities.... and the funny thing is, you overestimate... DRAMATICALLY... how much effect you truly have (as a whole, I mean... what it can do to individuals now, I'll get to in a bit). Even those who sound oh-so-angry at you arent necessarily actually angry in some cases; some of them shout at you merely because they think you deserve that. *I* often have that reaction. Nothing in multiplayer games angers me except when *I* genuinely perform badly (regardless of anything else going on), but I wont hesitate to tell absolute jerks how worthless they are. They have a right to know, after all. And they're so amazingly full of themselves that they often just cannot tell genuine anger from someone just telling them off while not actually giving much of a damn.

I go further than that, though. Back in high school, I used to be bullied alot. And I very quickly learned that many.... okay, ALL.... of the bullies werent much brighter than a sack of hammers. Once I figured this out, well.... ahhh, the rest was satisfying. I learned how to get back at them without violence, without breaking any rules or laws (ever), yet while also doing so much damage that they were very.... hesitant... to try that again. A truly creative and inventive mind can do that. By senior year, none of them were bloody stupid enough to try anything against me..... except one (the worst of all of them), and HE didnt graduate that year, indeed he didnt. Hopefully, over the course of the NEXT year, maybe he learned to be a better person. I suppose I'll never know.

These days, I tend to do the same thing to trolls and similar dolts; reflect their own effects back at them. With a bit of applied intelligence and creativeness, this is not very hard to do, even if it means bending a few rules (I dont mind damaging my own accounts a bit if I can prevent trouble for other, genuinely nice players). There are few things more hilarious than a troll or whatever that comes on with the intention of laughing at the anger they're causing.... and ends up only going away with extreme anger of their own, and I'm a *master* at doing this. And typically, the entire team gets a hearty laugh when a troll fails. Meaning that the troll essentially, in that situation, only brought his teammates more fun and entertainment. Failing utterly at his original goal. And *I* get to make everyone else's day that much better for it, which is often a goal of mine in the first place regardless of the presence of trolls.... a far better and less idiotic goal than trying to make it worse.

This all sound like a bit of unnecessary bragging? Imagine me making suggestive gestures towards this very topic, as you consider that question.



But think about that goal of the troll/griefer/dimwit... the goal of just trying to make someone else's fun turn to anger. For teh lulz. I think that's the thing that makes it so pathetic about this kind of behavior. You call it "black comedy", yet you use the term in a very damn stupid way. That concept on TV shows, of which there are many that use it, works for one reason: THEY'RE FREAKING TV SHOWS. Nobody REALLY gets hurt. Nobody REALLY gets ruined. It's called ACTING. A term you may want to look up. When you do things in these games and it does cause anger, that's not black comedy. It's not acting, it's not fake. You are genuinely damaging someone elses experience, and what makes this even MORE pathetic is that people like you seem genuinely incapable of understanding what's wrong about that, and what it's capable of doing when it does work on someone. It may not ALWAYS work on someone, and as I'd stated before, there are plenty who dont honestly get angry, but will simply try to tell you off anyway.... but as you know, there are plenty of times when it does work. And it can... DO things. Effects that exist OUTSIDE of the game.

I'll give you an example: A friend of mine, awhile back, had a rather unpleasant and difficult job, which took up ALOT of his time. He didnt really have much choice in the matter, not till he could find a better job. He only had so much time for relaxation and recreation, to try to just have some fun, and get rid of a bit of stress. He is a gamer, as I am. And he likes multiplayer games at times. There was a specific time though, where this went wrong. Multiplayer gaming, during some free time that he had before it was time to go to work. A game he quite enjoyed, though hell if I can remember which one it was. Either way though, he got griefed HARD. The "ruin the entire experience" sort. All that recreational time, that he didnt have much of to begin with? That day, it was completely ruined by some worthless jackass "4 teh lulz". This was AFTER a particularly long and unpleasant shift the previous night. Boy, was he in a BAD mood (and I cant blame him). Guess what effect this had? Something tells me you cant, so I'll just tell you. He went to work in a bad mood. Having that happen can be a BAD thing. It alters your performance, and can make things go wrong... which causes a nasty spiral effect. He got in trouble with his boss that day, because he was angry and snapping at everyone, as things continued to go more wrong. I've been in situations like that before, as back when I used to have to work, I was a TERRIBLE employee. Not on purpose, mind you. I just wasnt at all good at anything work related, and I get frustrated easily at my own mistakes. So I knew just how FAST someone could lose a job, and it doesnt take very much to cause that to happen. Make an ass of yourself to ONE customer, and that can be enough to get you booted. So imagine what going through a full day in a constant state of anger in a job having to deal with many customers can do. He could have lost his job... he was fortunate that he didnt. Could have lost that, simply because some jerk went around and ruined the only potential relaxing/fun time that he'd had in days... and on purpose, no less (it's less angering BY FAR if someone goes wrong just as a result of a game being difficult, or as a result of the player's own mistakes; he's never been the type to get annoyed at either of those concepts). Just "black comedy"? I think not.

And no, the response of "well it's his own fault if he let that get to him" isnt at all valid. Not even close. "Dont let it happen" doesnt work for some people, simple as that. And really, there arent very many people that WOULDNT get angry if they only potentially non-sucky time they've had in the last few days gets absolutely ruined because of intentional effects caused by one jerkbag. And some people have plenty of emotional issues to begin with.... being on this site as you are, you SHOULD already know this, as there's evidence EVERYWHERE. For some, gaming is a form of escapism. Allowing them to get out of the unpleasant, painful world they live in, and be someone else for awhile, do something else for awhile. It provides a necessary outlet for them. So isnt it wrong, then, for some asshat to then essentially come around and kick sand in their face, when they're just trying to get away from painful things for awhile? "Just a game", my ass. And something tells me... accurately, I bet.... that you never once considered, and probably never will, ANY of this.

And THAT is sad and pathetic.


And at some point, eventually, you may run into someone like me, someone that can cause you trouble right back at you. Yet perhaps, you might run into someone that takes it FURTHER than I do.

It'd be their own form of "black comedy". I bet it wouldnt be so funny to you, though.


(oh, and by the way, I have no anger myself in making this post. I've been a constant part of the internet since there's BEEN an internet, and I've seen the worst of the worst, as trolls go. It's why I'm immune to that sort of effect. So if you think you trolled me by getting me to make this post, think again. I've nothing but free time on my hands, ALL the time, and it gave me something interesting to do, so that works out well enough. Feel free to argue with me, feel free to flame me, feel free to try to get me to rage... you cant. I've already posted all I desired to say, and will respond no further. If you learn something from a post like this, then that is good. But if you dont, well... there's little point in engaging in an arguement with those that cannot learn. Though I may READ it, for my own amusement, provided I actually remember that I posted here. As this thread has no value to me, that's unlikely.)



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29 Sep 2014, 6:15 am

That it's against the rules to make ad hominid attacks right? You wrote: ut if you dont, well... there's little point in engaging in an arguement with those that cannot learn...You will be reported.

As for making you rage. I already have. Your manifesto like diatribe consumed much of your time and has fallen on unsympathetic ears. (Again I'm calmly stating a fact, not insulting you). Your tangent ancedote about your high school experiences your friend and his work related problems were most delicious. I have already saved a copy of your reponse in my facebook notes and live journal for future as you put it amusement.
I think one of my more successful griefs was when a player had been drinking the night before only to log on with a hang over only to find my province's multiple attacks. Sadly I did not record this as I didn't have the means to. He wrote "This is not what to see on a hangover". ahahahaha. Another time on warcraft 3, a player said "Dude.. you're killing my buzz". (ahhhhh most delicious).

But with all seriousness, it sounds as if you're trying to excuse your friend's lack of self control and anger management on griefers. So let me get this straight. I shoot him in the back, and he goes and flips out at work with a temper tantrum and argues with his boss. He should grow up and act like an ADULT. See in the adult world rational humans are not allowed to violently express their fustrations, they are expected to maturely deal with disapointments. Say for example, my only enjoyment in life is watching sports, and my team does poorly all year. Of course I'm grumpy and demoralized (It happens all the time here in Calgary, lol). Am I permitted to start a fight? If I do I go to jail for a few months to a year, pay a fine, get sued!

Ok it's like this, say I'm a ex smoker. I'm trying to quit smoking, and I'm obviously suffering the illeffects of the addiction. I get bad service in a restraunt. Am I allowed to verbally abuse that server? Lol if I did the manager would kick me out!

Our politicians do all sorts of BS to troll us, celebrities and all other annoyances. Can we become beligerent at work? no of course not. We have to as adults take it up the you know where. Or as the Chinese call it "Drinking the poison", Bite the Bullete. Do you see what I'm getting at here?

I have autism. and Schizophrenia. I can't use these deficiencies as an excuse... It is just a game. Not his life, if games are this important to your friend and players like him. They need to seek professional help. Movies are my outlet, and I hate talkers in movies, and texters. Yet I don't act out violently. The mayor of Calgary is an annoying gadfly, he gets on my nerves. Can I scream at my co-workers? No.



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29 Sep 2014, 9:11 am

sillycat wrote:
That it's against the rules to make ad hominid attacks right? You wrote: ut if you dont, well... there's little point in engaging in an arguement with those that cannot learn...You will be reported.

As for making you rage. I already have. Your manifesto like diatribe consumed much of your time and has fallen on unsympathetic ears. (Again I'm calmly stating a fact, not insulting you). Your tangent ancedote about your high school experiences your friend and his work related problems were most delicious. I have already saved a copy of your reponse in my facebook notes and live journal for future as you put it amusement.
I think one of my more successful griefs was when a player had been drinking the night before only to log on with a hang over only to find my province's multiple attacks. Sadly I did not record this as I didn't have the means to. He wrote "This is not what to see on a hangover". ahahahaha. Another time on warcraft 3, a player said "Dude.. you're killing my buzz". (ahhhhh most delicious).

But with all seriousness, it sounds as if you're trying to excuse your friend's lack of self control and anger management on griefers. So let me get this straight. I shoot him in the back, and he goes and flips out at work with a temper tantrum and argues with his boss. He should grow up and act like an ADULT. See in the adult world rational humans are not allowed to violently express their fustrations, they are expected to maturely deal with disapointments. Say for example, my only enjoyment in life is watching sports, and my team does poorly all year. Of course I'm grumpy and demoralized (It happens all the time here in Calgary, lol). Am I permitted to start a fight? If I do I go to jail for a few months to a year, pay a fine, get sued!

Ok it's like this, say I'm a ex smoker. I'm trying to quit smoking, and I'm obviously suffering the illeffects of the addiction. I get bad service in a restraunt. Am I allowed to verbally abuse that server? Lol if I did the manager would kick me out!

Our politicians do all sorts of BS to troll us, celebrities and all other annoyances. Can we become beligerent at work? no of course not. We have to as adults take it up the you know where. Or as the Chinese call it "Drinking the poison", Bite the Bullete. Do you see what I'm getting at here?

I have autism. and Schizophrenia. I can't use these deficiencies as an excuse... It is just a game. Not his life, if games are this important to your friend and players like him. They need to seek professional help. Movies are my outlet, and I hate talkers in movies, and texters. Yet I don't act out violently.



Haha, I know I said I wouldnt respond ( Though I really must stop saying that, I often end up doing it anyway if the person isnt just spraying insults left and right... as I've stated elsewhere on these forums, I have nothing but free time, and conversations are something to do) but I couldnt resist (but then, I usually cant). You gave almost exactly the post I expected... except not. I'll give you props in that you DIDNT stuff it full of insults. I had actually expected otherwise... so not QUITE the post I thought would come. Worthy of an actual reply here, whereas the insult-laden types are the ones I just read without responding to (that typically being pointless).

Rage though? I must disagree, I'm afraid. Clearly, you aint seen me post here too much. Most of my posts, with the exception of minor replies like this one, are that long. I type at an extreme rate, so no, it took up about 5 minutes. All of my posts do. See? You assume rage because you make assumptions... incorrect ones... about who you are talking to. Hell, pretty sure I gave a good ramble for no reason in the Minecraft topic just recently. ...well, okay, I do it in LOTS of topics, sure as heck not just that one. Keep an eye on me over time, and you'll see me do this over... and over.... and over... 'tis an old habit. I dont really MEAN to make the posts that long, but once I start typing I just keep going....

The assumed anger you see in a response to you, for instance. Why WOULD I get angry? It serves no practical purpose. Hell, you're not even around me to speak vocally; the words dont even reach me if I dont actively read them. Anger to such things is silly. Oh, dont get me wrong. There's negativity in my posts (as in, most of the posts I make on any board anywhere; I'm often complaining or saying "this thing over here, I dont like this thing").... but THAT is my default state. I'm a very.... negative individual. I call myself "Misery" for a reason (Okay, for lots of reasons). But anger? No. It gets really OBVIOUS when I'm angry, since I dont get angry, I get berserk. Let's just say that when that happens, I'm in no state to MAKE posts... and chances are, neither is the keyboard (I'm the HULK SMAAAASH!! !! sort, when it comes to anger, which is why I've learned to be a rather passive individual in recent years so that stuff doesnt get broken for no good reason). I, however, would never hurt anyone.... not even verbally, or anything like that. That someone could take pleasure in causing others grief (even if not physical pain) has always sounded really messed up.


The main other part to reply to is where you said "He should grow up and act like an adult". You.... dont listen to your own advice, do you? Mature adults dont run around like playground bullies trying to anger others because they cant think of anything more worthy to do, wether in the virtual world or not. Wether you anger someone in a game, anger someone by kicking them in the nuts at some sort of sporting event, maybe beat someone around the head at a concert... it is the same, albeit with a lack of actual physical impact. Or just throw insults at someone you encounter in person. My explanation had to do with the effects that emotions can have on people. THAT is the bit you dont seem to understand. The CAUSE of the emotion doesnt matter. Different people are set off by different things. Hell, I see people get angry at all SORTS of things, and quite alot of them, I dont see the point of the anger (someone watching sports for example.... it's not even THEM playing, they're just watching others do it! Yet so many sports fans totally freak the hell out or even get into fights over it!). Yet that doesnt mean there ISNT a point, even if the point only exists for that specific individual. Emotions cause problems. They can cause LOTS of problems. Hell, being bullied has often gotten people to commit suicide! Again, emotions are important. Purposefully causing negative ones in someone, just because, is wrong, regardless of wether or not the person you're doing it to is stable as a mountain, or totally unglued (and hell, it's worse with the totally unglued ones, because you never know just what crazy thing they might do in response; a damn silly risk, really).



And really, people getting set off by a griefer in the way that I speak of (as in, the effects existing not just in a game, but outside of it too) is common. COMMON. You dont actually understand the full reasons WHY that happens, do you? 1. You offend others simply by doing such things, even if it's not to them. I've seen people flip out just WATCHING it happen (be it in a game or IRL), though in THAT case, possibly they could indeed calm down a bit, though I can still understand where that anger comes from, as they see someone running around messing up other people like a playground bully, and they get angry over the very thought of someone doing such a thing. 2. You take what is meant to be fun, relaxing time, and ruin it. They might not HAVE alot of that, as I explained. Who are you to take that from them? Would you enjoy it if, when you went to play a game, someone ran in and simply shut it off while you were in the middle of it, and did that every time you tried to restart it? 3. You insult them not just with words, but with your very actions. With your actions, you say to that person, "you are worthless. You dont deserve to be cared about, so I indeed will not care, and will spit in your face". While I personally do not know anyone particularly fragile to be affected too much by THAT one, such people do exist. Why hurt them?

Though I think the bit that REALLY gets me is the part of coming around and bragging about it.... in a place where you know it might just incense people. THAT can be construed as "trolling", and you really.... should be careful about that one. It can give ME a giggle to see someone doing it, but others might not have quite that reaction.

It sounds like you could use some professional help, in all honesty. That's not me joking, either. Them's my honest thoughts on the matter. If you're acting out THAT much, that not only do you do it constantly and take joy in it, but you actively brag about it. Granted, everyone has their problems, but still. Dont think of it as an insult, either. People always take that line that way, despite that LOTS of people go to counseling (or whatever in the bloody hell it's called). Hell, I do, since I get depressed at random (and because I'm negative all the time). I'm sure there's a reason why people take that line that way. I'm also sure I dont know what that reason is. Seems silly.

Oh, and the "no point in arguing with those who cannot learn" bit isnt meant as one, either. Rather, that's a logical statement; arguing with someone that isnt listening or processing the meaning of what you're saying is pointless. I will, however, give you props for the fact that you actually READ THE WHOLE THING, which most in your position (aka, the position of replying to one of my long and rambly word-fests) simply do not do.

Ahhh... but I'm making this too long again, arent I? And I've forgotten what else I was going to say. Though I do THAT frequently too.

Oh well. Entertaining as all this chatter is, I should likely get out of this blasted chair for a bit anyway. Perhaps more interesting debate later. If I remember.



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29 Sep 2014, 4:57 pm

Now defunct MAG, a ps3 mmofps whose biggest game type had 256 players, 128 vs 128, somehow had team killing. As if it wasn't hectic enough, you could shoot, blow up, and I think even run over your own teammates. The only time I ever did that was when I was going for gold trophy. I got it, but I felt so horrible for it :lol:


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29 Sep 2014, 5:16 pm

:D

First off a few points,

1)why would I swear and insult you personally
2)I have nothing against you personally (ad homid).
3)We're two professionals here.
4)Some constructive criticism (honest and genuine) you make some very good points but if you don't wish to be dismissed as a raving ranting lunatic. You may not be one, but your points jump from topic to topic with no build in between your points. You need to learn how to tame your emotions. You can still write colorfully and descriptive and express your most inner emotions. This is very difficult for us Autistics I realize as we're a plethora collection of pan-pop culture references. Especially pop culture references that involve the story telling world (ie. Video games, comics, movies, Super heroes, Fantasy, Science Fiction. Etc etc.). I used to write as you do, especially when I do get emotional. An excellent way to practice improving your vernacular (word usage, not to be confused with vocabulary). Taking a full credit introduction to English composition would do this. Again not saying that you're stupid. But this would help you focus all this enflamed passion. (Perhaps engaging in anti-cyber bullying campaigns. This seems like a very enflamed topic for you. That's good. People should stand up to hate mongers like me. Just as we should sand up for our rights for free speech). Just don't any unprofessional ad homid attacks. Stick to the topic at hand. You tend to wander off ALOT. This is good though, It means that you care. See this is the thing about humans we're naturally illogical animals. As opposed to say "Vulcans" from Star Trek. The world needs more people like you to say 'what's what'.

These nonsensical tangents of writing that most people including myself veer into, is because we're trying to mimic speech patterns into writing. Especially arguments as we're having here. I could have easily said that you're crazy (because your undisciplined (context: Your rapid succession of ideas), and just dismissed you with a snide sarcastic comment. Instead I enjoy reading people's rants. Often had to read the line 3 times. This is because this form of communication lacks non-verbal communications. So I could have heard your inner crazy babbling voice, or hear for compassion and sympathy. But when you slowly master the ability to articulate. Then readers are not forced to read your lines 3 times. See the words are there, but the intonation and visual cues are not there. So it's just one raging river of consciousness. But we have Autism so this is very very hard for us. But these skills can be learned. Keep at it, I'd advise you. Once you mastered beyond venacular and lexicons typical of our Generation X through to Generation Me, valley-girl-boy slangs. Your awesome impassioned ideals will flow very fluently, and your wit will make even your enemies smile. Your gibberish has made me smile (when they're on topic. I preform the nod of comprehension). Also never be afraid to throw in many "As, of" (instead of like).

See when people post ranting and raving, this is good. It allows us the reader to see your true self. But like most humans, there are limitations to our communication. It's as people take the time to improve their penmanship. Writing fan fiction also helps. Writing for Wikipedia helps alot also. Like play around with the order of the wording.

5)As for doing thing more worthwhile, as with your friend I use my time to play games...I usually film these things when I go to bed.I'm very up and about in the community. It's part of my threapy (Schizo-Autistic-ADHD). If I had an automobile I can access remote natural preserves around my city, and begin to gurilla plant trees (usually along highway ditches and etc. I do plan to take full advantage of my gifted natural blessings. Living in Calgary does have it's benifits. Although I rather live in BC. But I do go around during my Autistic routine patrol routes as I move about the city (namely the little river pathway to the Talisman centre), and I fished out large trash, namely a shopping cart, a barricade, and a white coleman camping cooler door. (most likely trash that flushed there during the flood last year. You see I'm a very active person. I Volunteer with the homeless the handicapped, and fundraise for the Calgary Stampede (as part of my ritualistic "traditions". And I'm expanding.

6)As for anger and rage. Perhaps I was to hasty to declare that I inspired these emotions in you. But I obviously touched some kind of unpleasant nerve. Inspiring any kind of distress and discomfort, irritation and annoyance, depression, etc. etx, is what I am for. By influencing your decision to write a huge wall of text Jabberism with soriddetails of you and your friend's personal lives.. I've exceeded my usual attempts. (Usually, players just call me an "N" (racial epithed), or a "Fa-ot" (Homophobic epited), and rage quit. Very seldom am I fed with such emotional pleas. Very seldom do my victims describe the secondary and tertiary effects I'm having on their personal lives (ie. learning of your friend's anger management issues at work). Most delicious and enriched nourishments.

7)oh my god you used the word. "Albeit" it is the same, 'albeit with a lack of actual physical impact.'. Oh my god... I love you forever....

8. You mentioned that you failed to see the point of "anger". The point is that it brings some people pleasure. I'm not sure how much more simplistic and self explanatory this reason can get. It causes a reaction in the victims.

9.You make the analogy that committing violence in a came world (namely provoking anger in someone by committing felonious assault at public events like sporting games and concerts). No, it's not the same. Physical assault is physical assult. It's fantasy. Say for instance I'll use sexual role playing between two CONSENTING couple. They wish to get rather so called "freaky", and wish to engage in some bizzare preversion. (Because this is a PG-13 site I'll leave that to the reader's imagination). Now, then there are no laws (in America to prevent this. BUT it they REALLY engaged in this outside of a fantasy setting then that's sexual assault.

Back to gaming. What's the difference between being a car thief in GTA and a car thief in reality??? I'll point out on Sword Art Online a Japanese anime where gamers are trapped in a virtural MMORPG, where players can actually die. Some more sociopathic gamers formed a murder guild where they actually kill the gamer. This is first degree murder in that case. (Although it is likely they have some insanity clause that. They could claim that they were unpredicated duress (being stuck inside a video game) freaking out and just felt that they had to level up by doing these savage acts out of despration).

So there is no comparison. Kicking someone in the nuts virtually as you put it, is NOT the same as kicking someone in the nuts in reality. At best it's saying "F you". But come now, can I really throw tandrums at work? because someone said "F you to me"? Of course not. Sure "Them's fighting words", but we must act civilized in the REAL WORLD. Everyone curses at everyone else on this planet. This is no excuse to act barbaric.

Trolls like myself know this, This is our loop hole. We know the difference between the consequences our actions in the real world. This is why we preform our sociopathy in the imaginary cartoon world, and delight in macabe practices of ruining people's fun. ANY discomfort we can cause feeds us. Action actor Wesley Snipes said it best, that he enjoys playing as the Villian it's fun. Inspring discomfort in other players, is fun!



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29 Sep 2014, 9:25 pm

Ooh, you made numbered points. I aint gonna post TOO much here, since I only just woke up (and am thus not entirely here yet) and I've got hilarious (hint: not actually hilarious) physical therapy in a little while here (EDIT, while still making post: okay, I DONT have PT tonight. Yay for sudden phone calls while I'm trying to make sense here. Ugh, not sure wether to be relieved or bothered, I kinda need the PT, really....), but I'm in the mood for a bit of keyboarding before I get on with my rather pointless day, so post I shall anyway, on a couple of the forums I go to, because yes.

Quick (maybe) answers to each numbered point:


1. Because most people in your position (aka, getting talked at in response to, uhhhhh, trollish griefing? Blanking out on the term here, I hate when that happens... ) do turn into an explosion of insults and swearwords. It's very... frequent. You could say that I tend to troll the trolls (ow, the wording), and the funny thing is how most of them just cant handle it. They really just cant. And watching them do that has been so frequent that nowadays, explosions of insults are the default response that I expect. Getting anything ELSE is... a surprise. As it is, you did indeed surprise me with that post.

2. Yeah, I dont personally have anything against you either (or anyone else on this forum, bloody strange as the place may be). Typically this is the case with anyone I'm debating something with... unfortunately I usually have to actually point it out, as my general negativity towards damn near everything and constant sarcasm can make people easily thing otherwise. Not just when debating, either. I can unfortunately come off as extremely negative and such even when just discussing damn near everything. I try not to, but... ahh, that's just how it is, I guess. Even just during normal conversations apparently I can come across as very abrasive. Something I'm not really aware of unless someone points it out.

3. Who did what now?

4. Ahaaa, this one bears more interesting discussion later. But you're right, I run off on a tangent alot. I'm very easily distracted and utterly incapable of focusing entirely on one thing at a time. Never could do that, never will be able to. Oh, I can go into something like a bullet-hell shmup like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwFUBWfWyl4 and follow every single thing on the screen at once without much trouble, possibly while also holding a conversation with some friend and also while thinking about, I dunno, cheese or something, but focus on just ONE thing at a time? Hah! Cant do it. So yeah, I might start off rambling about, I dunno, bees, and then after a time it turns into a rant about chairs. How that makes sense, I've no idea. Not sure it really needs to make that much sense. The funny thing though is that it doesnt really reflect my actual speech patterns IRL very much. I tend to speak in short, clipped sentences much of the time, or just glare until people stop throwing words at me. Though I can be a bit more open when gaming with friends (fighting games typically), but..... ugh, yeah, so many possible subjects of conversation that I really just dont care about, so I still often just dont talk much. On here at least I can just ramble as I see fit... if nobody reads it, well, whatever, I've still at least accomplished a big damn pile of words. And I've forgotten what I was leading up to here. But yeah, wandering off topic into whole new realms of... other topics, indeed, happens alot. Though it doesnt take an "inflamed" topic or concept to get me to do that. Any topic about anything will do. If I really am getting inflamed, the posts get waaaayyyyyyy longer. Though I've so far managed to avoid making any of my truly huge posts in this place, at least for now. Other forums havent been so lucky. Hmm, and you've got a good point, alot of autistics in general really do get into the whole pop-culture stuff a bit much, dont they... Ahh, that doesnt make communication much easier, nope. Or at least that's been my experiences with it, that's for sure. Unless I'm at an anime con, then it makes it... easier? Unless there's just too much insane happening at the time and stuff isnt going to make sense regardless, which can be the case at one of those. Those are a good outlet though at least. Uuugh and I've forgotten where I'm going again. I really mustnt post things so early in the day as I get lost easily at that point. Well, what I call "early" anyway, technically it's about 8:30 PM here, but I've only been up for maybe an hour and a half.

5. Well, it's good that you're active then, that's always.... good. Usually. A bit the opposite of me. Well, no, I get out of the house every day, but there isnt really anywhere interesting to go (unless you think farmland and grass is interesting. If so, this place is BLOODY FASCINATING). Visit friends and relatives, but that's about it. And then it's back to this blasted chair. Way too much chair and computer time as a whole, ugh. Fitting right into that stereotypical reclusive behavior. Though at least not the stereotypical appearance; I always get the impression that people that meet me online probably picture me as some sort of fat hairy guy, the very stereotypical "otaku" sort, though in reality I'm fairly thin and somewhat androgynous in appearance. So at least that's ONE step away from the norm.... too bad there arent more steps, bah. But that's a whole other topic. And I'm curious, where's Calgary? I cant say I've heard of it. Or if I have, I'm not remembering, which could also be the case.

6. Neh, no real unpleasant nerve there, mostly just me being the way I usually am. You could say that "unpleasant nerve" is sorta my default state. As it is though I'm very resistant against attempts to push it further. I've seen too much for that not to be the case. If someone thinks they can do it and wants to waste the time, they're free to try. Wont work, though. This is of course provided I'm paying attention in the first place, which... not always so easy for me.

7, ah, yeah, haha, I talk like that all the time. It probably doesnt make it easier for people to deal with my long and ranty posts, but... ehh. Though I do it a bit less at a time such as now when I'm still not entirely awake.

8. Ah, I dont think I phrased that correctly. I dont question the point of anger itself, more a question of, hmm, the individual cause? Hm, that doesnt sound quite right either. Agh, I hate when this happens! When I want to get a point across but it comes out as a jumbled mess. How irritating... And then I often exasperate the situation by trying too hard to explain what I actually mean.

9. Same with that analogy, to a point. Some of that though was just me being sarcastic (like the kicking some guy in the nuts bit), as I'm well aware that there's a difference between physical and non-physical. Aint gonna stop me from making bloody stupid analogies though that dont necessarily make a whole lot of sense. I do that alot. Well, they make sense until I say them, at least.

There was more to say at this specific point but I blanked out again. Ugh. I may as well stop for now anyway though, as there is annoying driving to do in a bit. I can ramble more on the topic later.



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30 Sep 2014, 1:57 pm

This thread is stupid.

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