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06 Feb 2012, 1:28 pm

There's a difference between hurting real people and pixels or polygons. There are some of the more shallow people out there, as well as the looneys that blame video games for their behavior, but they certainly can't speak for everyone. I'm certain most play them for fun, regardless of whether there's any over the top violence.


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06 Feb 2012, 1:42 pm

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That's the clientele for ya. They can't get away with it in real life so they do it in a game. I don't think people realize that sin always sells especially when people feel there are no consequences.


I don't think the majority give a f**k about 'sin'. And I don't like your implication that people that play videogames are bad people. I think you're an idiot to be honest. What are you even doing here?



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06 Feb 2012, 1:48 pm

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The gaming community is very much a "gentleman's club", in the worst sense of the word. There are a lot of misogynists who identify as gamers. The sort of guys who have not had much luck with girls, and thus they have convinced themselves that they hate girls.

If I was a girl gamer, I don't think that I would want too many male gamers to know about it. It would just be awkward. So really, who knows how many there are?


It's true, I worked in the industry for 15 years.



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06 Feb 2012, 5:21 pm

They aren't rare. Not even slightly rare.

But girl gamer elitism is funny.



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06 Feb 2012, 6:55 pm

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Women_and_video_games


I wonder why the article is so short.



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06 Feb 2012, 7:26 pm

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They aren't rare. Not even slightly rare.

But girl gamer elitism is funny.


Non-casual girl gamers are quite rare. And yes there's tons that play video games sometimes.



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06 Feb 2012, 8:46 pm

I like single-player RPGs myself, though I've not been able to play much of anything the past couple of weeks because I've been eyeball deep in homework and exams. I rarely ever talk about video games outside of forums, though, and even then, most people tend to assume I'm a guy. I guess it works out because I really don't want to deal with someone accusing me of not being a "real gamer" or playing games for male attention, which I've seen happen enough times where I think I can assume the same could happen to me. Maybe I'm a coward, but games are something I do for fun, and I'd rather do everything I can to avoid unnecessary unpleasantness. I imagine there are probably other girls who do the same. It's most likely similar to how I also almost always lie and say I'm a philosophy major rather than a math major when asked because, even though I hate lying, when I went to meet one of my friend's group of friends the summer before college they wouldn't stop making a huge deal out of it, and the experience kind of stuck with me. They would say things like, "Oh wow, I've never met a girl who majored in math before." often followed by "What made you want to major in that?" I don't think they meant anything by it, but still I didn't like the implication that it was strange that I'd be interested in a subject because of my sex. It was just a really uncomfortable situation, especially because I hate being the center of attention.



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07 Feb 2012, 10:52 am

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
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That's the clientele for ya. They can't get away with it in real life so they do it in a game. I don't think people realize that sin always sells especially when people feel there are no consequences.


I don't think the majority give a f**k about 'sin'. And I don't like your implication that people that play videogames are bad people. I think you're an idiot to be honest. What are you even doing here?


That's not what I was implying at all. You're right the majority doesn't give a f**k about sin, they enjoy it and that's why the games sell. Sex sells is another way to put it as well. If you actually think about it gamers as a whole are more moral than the average entertainment demographic. It's just the few games that sell like crazy, probably weren't intended for gamers in the first place but for the masses. Those are the games that are changing the industry. That was my point.

You have misinterpreted almost every post I've seen you comment on, and replied in a fairly offensive or obnoxious manner. Try reading it twice and putting yourself in the commenters shoes before replying. I am a gamer of 19yrs but you seem out of the loop so why are you here?



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07 Feb 2012, 10:58 am

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There's a difference between hurting real people and pixels or polygons. There are some of the more shallow people out there, as well as the looneys that blame video games for their behavior, but they certainly can't speak for everyone. I'm certain most play them for fun, regardless of whether there's any over the top violence.


I'm not against violence but as a girl gamer I hate excess abuse on women, killing hookers in a game is just another way to breed the mentality of superiority. That's a whole other thread though. I bet alot of people would enjoy a game in BC time where they get to stone hookers too. I doubt I could get along with someone who could enjoy that.



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07 Feb 2012, 11:16 am

Onyxaxe wrote:
Boxman108 wrote:
There's a difference between hurting real people and pixels or polygons. There are some of the more shallow people out there, as well as the looneys that blame video games for their behavior, but they certainly can't speak for everyone. I'm certain most play them for fun, regardless of whether there's any over the top violence.


I'm not against violence but as a girl gamer I hate excess abuse on women, killing hookers in a game is just another way to breed the mentality of superiority. That's a whole other thread though. I bet alot of people would enjoy a game in BC time where they get to stone hookers too. I doubt I could get along with someone who could enjoy that.


If they took that out, they would have to take out violence toward just about every other group of people in the game...which would pretty much leave us with no game whatsoever. Stuff like Grand Theft Auto or Saints Row is equal opportunity for every race and both genders, only in a negative light and filled with satire. I don't see any excess or favoritism one way or the other.


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07 Feb 2012, 12:11 pm

Onyxaxe wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Onyxaxe wrote:
That's the clientele for ya. They can't get away with it in real life so they do it in a game. I don't think people realize that sin always sells especially when people feel there are no consequences.


I don't think the majority give a f**k about 'sin'. And I don't like your implication that people that play videogames are bad people. I think you're an idiot to be honest. What are you even doing here?


That's not what I was implying at all. You're right the majority doesn't give a f**k about sin, they enjoy it and that's why the games sell. Sex sells is another way to put it as well. If you actually think about it gamers as a whole are more moral than the average entertainment demographic. It's just the few games that sell like crazy, probably weren't intended for gamers in the first place but for the masses. Those are the games that are changing the industry. That was my point.

You have misinterpreted almost every post I've seen you comment on, and replied in a fairly offensive or obnoxious manner. Try reading it twice and putting yourself in the commenters shoes before replying. I am a gamer of 19yrs but you seem out of the loop so why are you here?


"They can't get away with it in real life so they do it in a game" implies people want to commit crimes in real life.

"especially when people feel there are no consequences" implies that their are consequences to 'virtual sin'. When clearly there aren't. The fact you call it sin anyway is weird in itself.

Valid interpretations of your post.

I don't know what else you think I've misinterpreted.



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07 Feb 2012, 12:58 pm

Media and video games DO influence people.

For example, what is the first thing kids want to do after watching Superman? They put a towel or blanket around their neck and jump off the couch, or even the roof. I did it, you probably did it too.

It's this type of recognition of reality that got me pushed out of video games.



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07 Feb 2012, 1:08 pm

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Media and video games DO influence people.

For example, what is the first thing kids want to do after watching Superman? They put a towel or blanket around their neck and jump off the couch, or even the roof. I did it, you probably did it too.

It's this type of recognition of reality that got me pushed out of video games.


So what type do you avoid?

Videogames certainly do influence people. I'm not convinced that that influence is particularly negative though. Not to the extent you might hear about in the media anyway.



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07 Feb 2012, 1:11 pm

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shrox wrote:
Media and video games DO influence people.

For example, what is the first thing kids want to do after watching Superman? They put a towel or blanket around their neck and jump off the couch, or even the roof. I did it, you probably did it too.

It's this type of recognition of reality that got me pushed out of video games.


So what type do you avoid?

Videogames certainly do influence people. I'm not convinced that that influence is particularly negative though. Not to the extent you might hear about in the media anyway.


I used to be an art director at Maixs, EA Sega, Breakaway. I meant pushed out of the industry.
I know what I am talking about in regards to what games are and why we play them, and why some people might be drawn into a bad mental place by them. Being an aspie makes it difficult to look away from the truth.



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07 Feb 2012, 1:15 pm

shrox wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
shrox wrote:
Media and video games DO influence people.

For example, what is the first thing kids want to do after watching Superman? They put a towel or blanket around their neck and jump off the couch, or even the roof. I did it, you probably did it too.

It's this type of recognition of reality that got me pushed out of video games.


So what type do you avoid?

Videogames certainly do influence people. I'm not convinced that that influence is particularly negative though. Not to the extent you might hear about in the media anyway.


I used to be an art director at Maixs, EA Sega, Breakaway. I meant pushed out of the industry.
I know what I am talking about in regards to what games are and why we play them, and why some people might be drawn into a bad mental place by them. Being an aspie makes it difficult to look away from the truth.


What games, and what mental place are you talking about?

Also, what games have you worked on as an art director? And why/how did you get 'pushed out'?