03 Feb 2009, 12:17 pm
Abu_Zarqawi
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03 Feb 2009, 1:02 pm
Haliphron wrote:
What they experience is a (self)delusional trance!
The people who become preachers are extremely charismatic and used timeless psychological techniques to manipulate their
"flock" and inducing them into a trance-like state which certainly feels like they are experiencing something extraordinary.
You can certainly get a very similar effect by imbibing psychotropic drugs. Shamans can induce their followers into a trace state and allow them to "experience" the spirit world. I guess religon really is the *opiate of the masses* after all.
The people who become preachers are extremely charismatic and used timeless psychological techniques to manipulate their
"flock" and inducing them into a trance-like state which certainly feels like they are experiencing something extraordinary.
You can certainly get a very similar effect by imbibing psychotropic drugs. Shamans can induce their followers into a trace state and allow them to "experience" the spirit world. I guess religon really is the *opiate of the masses* after all.
i know you're trying to be clever and all but anyone over 16 who isn't an idiot knows all that. as i said they misunderstood their experience, but it's still god they're experiencing. god is just a certain part of the brain being flooded with certain chemicals, and its the same across all religions. scan the brain of a muslim, a hindu, a jew, a christian, or someone who follows a native religion while they're having a trance-induced god experience and the same area of brain lights up like a christmas tree. DMT does the same thing
still the born agains at least a have a reason to believe that god is real, because they think they have experienced it. a catholic or protestant just believe because they've been taught to. if you had a personal experience of god you'd probably become religious too, so dont deny the power of the experience, delusional as it might be.
03 Feb 2009, 1:48 pm
Abu_Zarqawi wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
What they experience is a (self)delusional trance!
The people who become preachers are extremely charismatic and used timeless psychological techniques to manipulate their
"flock" and inducing them into a trance-like state which certainly feels like they are experiencing something extraordinary.
You can certainly get a very similar effect by imbibing psychotropic drugs. Shamans can induce their followers into a trace state and allow them to "experience" the spirit world. I guess religon really is the *opiate of the masses* after all.
The people who become preachers are extremely charismatic and used timeless psychological techniques to manipulate their
"flock" and inducing them into a trance-like state which certainly feels like they are experiencing something extraordinary.
You can certainly get a very similar effect by imbibing psychotropic drugs. Shamans can induce their followers into a trace state and allow them to "experience" the spirit world. I guess religon really is the *opiate of the masses* after all.
i know you're trying to be clever and all but anyone over 16 who isn't an idiot knows all that. as i said they misunderstood their experience, but it's still god they're experiencing. god is just a certain part of the brain being flooded with certain chemicals, and its the same across all religions. scan the brain of a muslim, a hindu, a jew, a christian, or someone who follows a native religion while they're having a trance-induced god experience and the same area of brain lights up like a christmas tree. DMT does the same thing
still the born agains at least a have a reason to believe that god is real, because they think they have experienced it. a catholic or protestant just believe because they've been taught to. if you had a personal experience of god you'd probably become religious too, so dont deny the power of the experience, delusional as it might be.
I understand. And no, Im NOT trying to be clever but I am try to express a complete lack of respect for these people.
Abu_Zarqawi
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03 Feb 2009, 4:55 pm
03 Feb 2009, 5:02 pm
Abu_Zarqawi wrote:
why care in the first place? live and let live dude
*hits the bong*
*hits the bong*
I agree.
Live and let live.
Now, the world don’t move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he’s a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff’rent Strokes. It takes, Diff’rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff’rent Strokes to move the world.
Everybody’s got a special kind of story. Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don’t matter that you got not alot. So what,
They’ll have theirs, and you’ll have yours, and I’ll have mine.
And together we’ll be fine...
Because it takes, Diff’rent Strokes to move the world. Yes it does.
It takes, Diff’rent Strokes to move the world.
03 Feb 2009, 5:11 pm
03 Feb 2009, 5:44 pm
03 Feb 2009, 7:04 pm
slowmutant wrote:
If age = trueness, which would be the least true of all the religions?
Well, I am not certain that age does equal truness, but my line of thinking is reasoned by the notion that original/older forms of things are sometimes considered best/real/true. For a simple example: The only place you can find a 'real' sweet potato in this day and age, is from some eighty year old lady's garden. Sweet potatoes have been so hybridized over the years, the taste and even the texture are nothing like they used to be, in say...the days of our grandparents. I cannot stand the stringy texture of modern sweet potatoes, not to mention they taste like crap. If I were inclined to eat a sweet potato, I would want one like my grandmother used to grow, but modern sweet potatoes have turned me off to sweet potatoes in general. So, I guess if I were inclined to want a religion, I might give more consideration to an ancient one, though I could easily compare my distaste for modern religion to that of the sweet potato.
06 Feb 2009, 3:50 pm
Haliphron wrote:
What they experience is a (self)delusional trance!
The people who become preachers are extremely charismatic and used timeless psychological techniques to manipulate their
"flock" and inducing them into a trance-like state which certainly feels like they are experiencing something extraordinary.
You can certainly get a very similar effect by imbibing psychotropic drugs. Shamans can induce their followers into a trace state and allow them to "experience" the spirit world. I guess religon really is the *opiate of the masses* after all.
The people who become preachers are extremely charismatic and used timeless psychological techniques to manipulate their
"flock" and inducing them into a trance-like state which certainly feels like they are experiencing something extraordinary.
You can certainly get a very similar effect by imbibing psychotropic drugs. Shamans can induce their followers into a trace state and allow them to "experience" the spirit world. I guess religon really is the *opiate of the masses* after all.
EXTREMELY well said!
Although even in the case of low-church denominations, that same opiate/mob mentality remains at work. We would rather look 'right' to our peers than actually be right. Everyone around you is saying "Jesus rules!" most people would bow to the pressure and agree. Often unconsciously.
On Fundamentalism...
I too have a little more respect for the Fundamentalists as at least they *attempt* to not pick and choose their commandments. They still do - it can't be helped with all the contradictions in the bible. But at least they make an attempt and will follow a few commandments that aren't convenient. At least they'll admit that God loves war - though maybe not so bluntly.
On Christians/Americans/Westerners getting their panties all in a bunch over Islam...
Let he who is without dog s**t on his shoes take the first step on the white rug.
So-called "Jihadists" might be grabbing more headlines and doing more damage than White-Christian-Supremacist groups at this moment in history, but they are no more the sole voice of Islam than the Aryan Nation is of Christianity. Sure you can find or twist passages of the Koran to justify just about any form of racism, hate or violence that you want. Just as the bible can be twisted in the same way. I do not advocate religious violence from any side. But we are not the pure-innocent victims here. Tease the angry pit bull ... but don't act all shocked and surprised when it bites you.
06 Feb 2009, 3:54 pm
06 Feb 2009, 4:20 pm
06 Feb 2009, 4:31 pm
Abu_Zarqawi wrote:
why care in the first place? live and let live dude
*hits the bong*
*hits the bong*
I care because these fanatics are hellbent on imposing their delusions on the rest of as and are a threat to my way of life....
06 Feb 2009, 4:34 pm
BTW people, due to the inherent Non-fasifiability of relgion, we can conclude that in -Fact- there is NO True Religion.
Of course some of you folks have your opinions about which one you believe is the 1-true-faith but you better understand the difference between Fact and opinion.
06 Feb 2009, 5:38 pm
Sling
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06 Feb 2009, 6:58 pm
06 Feb 2009, 7:09 pm
Sling wrote:
Christianity. There is a decent amount of evidence and it has very good teachings.
but its not even meant to be about evidence
