If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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well, if the victim is Inuyasha......

total lack of reading comprehension.

I can read just fine, I'm just not going to buy into your dehumanization of innocent children, whom you consider to be nothing more than parasites. You don't like that fact, tough.

"Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host."


I suppose you know more of biology than LKL does, right?


BTW....

ad nauseum.

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Really, I think conservatives and pro-lifers should feel embarassed by your posts here, you are doing a fine job making them look bad, probably we have to thank you for helping our case.

The child doesn't qualify as a parasite because the child continues the genetic line of his/her parents (both father and mother) and thus ensures (in this case the mother's) genetic heritage doesn't die off. So the child doesn't qualify as a parasite.

a poorly timed pregnancy can, in fact, detrimentally affect a woman's chances of passing on her genes. If she waits until her mid 20's to have children, she's less likely to die in childbirth, less likely to live in poverty, and more likely to be a better parent; her children, if she waits, are more likely to be healthy, more likely to do well in school, and less likely to end up in prison.

It really all comes down to goals. It's a well documented fact that illegal abortion does nothing to reduce abortions. It's not a deterrent, unlike laws against crimes like stealing. It's also not a clear cut right-wrong issue. It's typically just the people on the fringes that believe abortion is either always wrong or never wrong. Most people fall somewhere in the middle.

The uniting goal is usually a reduction in abortions. Most people, including pro-choice people, would like to see this outcome. So an effective strategy is to look at ways to accomplish this. The absolute most effective way of reducing abortions is easily accessible birth control and improved sexual education. Ironically, many staunch pro-lifers are against these methods. If you want to reduce abortions, then you should not be fighting against organizations like Planned Parenthood. If you want to save lives in general, then you don't send women to butchers.

If you accept the fact that making abortions illegal does nothing to reduce abortions and argue against methods that actually do reduce abortions, then you don't really care about saving lives at all. You just want to be right.

I have to say privileges, not rights - but that is your assumptions / definitions versus mine, with nothing to privilege one or the other.

Once again, it is a matter of WHERE do you cut the continuum. Not my field - is it yours?

If so [or if ir is equally not your field]: how and why would you rank

a. normal human neonate

b. adult fully functional orangutan

c. adult fully functional planarian

d. human fetus at 21 days

e. neonate orangutan

f. my advanced Alzheimers father

g. adult batrachian of your choice

h. adult comatose human.

Ignoring extant legal systems, if YOU are determining privileges [feel free to say rights if you prefer, but they are different, is your primary basis for life / death decisions humanity or consciousness?

Inuyasha,

I am still interested in hearing your thoughts on my earlier question.

I have already offered up my own view about when I would curtail a woman's right (at the threshold of viability). I am interested in exploring the practical limits of your view.

no one person is determining anything on these issues, human bias would ruin that far too fast.

when looking at this issue one has to find the common low point, now i dont know much about tape worm neurology but i would think they fall pretty far from any definition of sentient.
if you look at animals such as the great apes, some marine mammals and elephants you actually do observe social interaction and what correlates with actual feeling and sometimes higher learning, to me they should be extended the same courtesy we do humans.

a dolphin can even understand the concept of being creative, of doing something new using knowledge it already has.

when it comes to humans there is a cut off point where (as repeated ad nauseum) we can with certainty say there is no actual consciousness possible.
when you have a human brain with no conecions and not even the low level signals used to "sync" up the different brain parts then there really isnt much to argue about, the actual conscoiusness would also arise quite some time after any limit imposed like this as at the first sign of actual low level signals it is asumed the conscoiusness is starting to develop.
that for humans is around week 20, many western nations have limits before that, the danish limit is 12 or 14 weeks.

No woman should be discouraged from having an abortion for a pregnancy that results from a rape. Forcing women to keep children of rape perpetuates the genes of the rapist (what the rapist wanted all along, even if subconsciously). Usually rapists are people that women would not normally choose to be fathers of their children (i.e. they are effectively genetically inferior) - this is why they need to rape, to have at least a chance of their genes being perpetuated. By allowing abortion after rape we may even get rid of some of the gene pool that promotes rape in the first place, although never all of it.

Might have been interesting to seeyour ranking, but stilt, the main point is that your value system does NOT privilege humans. Interesting. Historically, I think the ranking comes out at something like.

A. Highest - Self

B. High - Humans directly connected positively to Self

C. Upper mid - Other valued humans AND some non-humans closely connected to Self

D. Lower mid - the mass of neutral humanity

E. Low - Devalued humans and useful non-humans

F. Lowest - all other life forms.

But you are above ? / outside ? human loyalty as such. In your list of probable privileged nonhumans - which I realize is not exhaustive - you will need to leave room for avians. At least ravens, likely some cranes and parrots - I have not seen data on raptor intelligence - will want to be included.

Where do you stand on the psychpath / sociopath categories?

Yes I know some despair of my anecodotes - imagine, he won't even put in a video clip! But this anecote might be relevant here.

Years back was that thing known amongst other names, some more accurate and some more polite than others, as the Vietnam Conflict. And younger male Americans [such as I then was] were being fingered by the State to be cannon fodder. But I as a serious education pursuing student was exempt. Until in a certain year I accepted an ABD position at a well known university, where I would as faculty still be exempt.. Being better at reading regulations than at understanding politics, I told my draft board about this. I reported it BEFORE I was on site and on payroll.

Result: the board saw - he is no longer full time student. The board saw - he is not yet faculty. I was NOT exempt and was fair game. I was ordered to get myself a physical exam and could easily in the three month it took to get me back to exempt status have been shipped to Viet Nam, where as a highly trained language scholar I would have been marched to the front lines to stand in front of a Viet Cong position.

So - l'envoi - here people sit around deciding just HOW LONG a gauntlet a freshly conceived human will have to run before he or she is graciously allowed to live.

[quote="number5"]It really all comes down to goals. It's a well documented fact that illegal abortion does nothing to reduce abortions. It's not a deterrent, unlike laws against crimes like stealing. It's also not a clear cut right-wrong issue. It's typically just the people on the fringes that believe abortion is either always wrong or never wrong. Most people fall somewhere in the middle.

The uniting goal is usually a reduction in abortions. Most people, including pro-choice people, would like to see this outcome. So an effective strategy is to look at ways to accomplish this. The absolute most effective way of reducing abortions is easily accessible birth control and improved sexual education. Ironically, many staunch pro-lifers are against these methods. If you want to reduce abortions, then you should not be fighting against organizations like Planned Parenthood. If you want to save lives in general, then you don't send women to butchers.

If you accept the fact that making abortions illegal does nothing to reduce abortions and argue against methods that actually do reduce abortions, then you don't really care about saving lives at all. You just want to be right.[/quote

Sorry, but I consider Planned Parenthood to be a bunch of murderers. Fact of the matter is Planned Parenthood preys on women whom are extremely vulnerable, and in my opinion pushes women into having abortions.

Therefore, I plan on working to help get pro-life candidates elected, and deal with this issue legally, which are reasons why I support Bachmann and Palin.

Your support of abortion however kinda opens another can of worms, what if they find out how to test for children having autism while the child is still in the womb? Would you support abortion then, because doctors will pressure women to have abortions of people like us.

Inuyahsa always makes this into "someone could have aborted me or you!! !"

To quote him:

It seems you have a short memory, cause you forgot that agencies like cure autism now once advocated abortion as a way to cure autism.