Would an autistic communist nation survive longer than a NT?

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Spectrumites right here on Wrong Planet dive for each others' throats already. Think about how this would play out on a larger world scale. Spectrum City? Not with me.

It could work. If we got the jobs we desired. In congress it'd be a mess but at least people would question the government and not act as little drones. Right?

Dillogic is the voice of reason and truth in this thread.

And as someone who grew up in the Soviet Union, I consider it a personal insult the moment I hear yet another clueless, spoiled, ignoramus spout the virtues of socialism and/or communism.

At the core of those philosophies, whether it's "pure Marx" or "Leninism", is the elimination of competition. This factor alone guarantees having the levels of poverty that were had in USSR. It doesn't matter if the state runs the factories (Leninism) or it's completely decentralized (Marxism, or should I say, fairy tale - even Lenin knew it couldn't work at all in reality).

What matters is the death of competition. No competition - you get NOTHING. People have a hard time understanding what NOTHING really means. NOTHING means deficit of basic produce, inability to afford cars or move between cities, NOTHING means having no toilet paper and having to wipe your ass with government-sponsored newspapers instead.

It means regular electric and water outages, multi-hour lines, it means limited access to vegetables that is dependent on seasons.

NOTHING means waiting for ambulances for 3 hours to arrive, if they arrive at all.

NOTHING means sleeping in beds made to some theoretical specifications to save material, instead of being tailored for comfort.

NOTHING means passing clothes and old televisions down the generations, recycling the last scraps of food for another dish.

NOTHING means no room for advancement or opportunity as the salaries are "evened out".

NOTHING means waiting 10 years to get an apartment that's smaller than some American kitchens.

Communism and socialism are philosophies that make everyone equally miserable. These social experiments fail time and time again, while the gross total output of capitalism has brought immeasurable amounts of wealth to an average citizen.

When Americans visited USSR, even high-ranked Party officials were embarassed at the fact that an American taxi driver would be more rich and have a better car than they do.

Another dangerous element of these philosophies is that they do not work with human reality. They rely on the "ubermensch" - the mythical "improved man". "Enlightened" man. When they take on the statist turn, as they ALWAYS do, one of the first orders of business is targeting those who are definitely not going to become "ubermensch". That's why Hitler, Lenin and Mao killed millions of their own.

"Soviet pioneers", their Chinese equivalents, and "Hitler youth" were attempts to create new "ubermensch" from scratch. I went through that brainwashing process too.

Modern youth should learn the truth about these philosophies. And they should stop taking the amazing wealth that capitalism gives them every day, for granted. The future of their children depends on it.

Stop being straw man and claiming I am spoilt. The USSR stopped being true communist when Stalin rose to power. USSR is like the first French Republic. The amazing wealth that will not be shared. The whole concept of communism is fairness.

Seeing as Marxist communism requires the abolition of the state, the USSR really isn't a good example at all.

I believe Autistics would actually do quite well in a Syndicalist economy. (Such as the CNT-FAI's revolution during the Spanish Civil War.)
The abolition of private property, automation of labour, and availability of resources would mean that Autistics would be able to pursue their special interests without the setback of the socially manipulative nature of capitalism. Instead of being told by an owner what to do, you would participate in union meetings to determine what is to be done at your place of work. And using labour notes instead of debt notes means that people who are self-employed will have a much easier time sustaining themselves.

I'm a pretty hardcore Anarcho-Syndicalist.

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A communist nation, autistic or not is doomed to fail. Why? Human nature. Even Aspies are egotistical. As long as a parent prefers the survival of his child to that of a neighbor, communism is doomed. People will always act in their perceived self interest and that of their blood families. We are genetically wired to act that way.

ruveyn

My grandfather was a millionaire but never gave me one dime for college. People do not always help their own families because they are greedy.

Did he give a dime to his neighbour's grandchild?

When he died it was a different story.

A communist nation of aspies where it's illegal under penalty of death to denounce Lenin and Ho Chi Minh (both mass murderers).
No thanks.

So what is the penalty for denouncing Ronald Reagan ? I suppose you could get fired from your job.

If in an autistic communist society, a person denounced our leaders, denounced our sexual morality, denounced autism, denounced communism and denounced everything that we believe in that person would be asked to leave. However that person would receive a full refund according to his equal share in the corporation.

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You're free to go and have a protest on February 6th (RR's birthday per Wikipedia), or other day of the year, not sure why you'd bother, but okay.

Unless you had a particular reason, I'd personally question why, but there's no legal repercussions. I admire the man, myself.

Ronald Reagan has been dead for a long time and has not been the president in over two decades. It's still good to see that the left has it's collective panties in knots over him, though.


No, in actuality that person would be sent to a gulag and probably die of malnutrition, brutality, or an accident while building a hydroelectric power plant or RR trestle.
State sponsored terror is the glue that holds communism together.

It used to be that in America, under capitalism, a slave who denounced his slave master would be sold and sent down the river to the state of Mississippi where the new slave master would work him to death.

Even today under capitalism my Bosses threaten to fire me and send me down the road instead of the river.

Most forms of anarchy are socialism. Capitalism is a despotic ideology. If one needs to rent them self out to a boss to live, he/she is a part time slave. Socialism is a monolithic word that encompass a wide range of views. The differences between an Anarchist and a Stalinist are far superior to the differences between a Republican and Democrat.