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25 Apr 2014, 4:00 pm

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can you explain how it's a straw-man? i just want to understand your superior grasp of the situation.


He's misrepresenting my position in order to more easily attack/mock it; I never claimed that religious homophobes get a pass, I rather explicitly renounced that position pages ago, I instead argued that religious opposition to gay marriage is not necessarily irrational or homophobic, a distinction that he is smart enough to understand, if not endorse.


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25 Apr 2014, 5:11 pm

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can you explain how it's a straw-man? i just want to understand your superior grasp of the situation.


He's misrepresenting my position in order to more easily attack/mock it; I never claimed that religious homophobes get a pass, I rather explicitly renounced that position pages ago, I instead argued that religious opposition to gay marriage is not necessarily irrational or homophobic, a distinction that he is smart enough to understand, if not endorse.


yes, i saw where you attempted to argue that--i guess what i missed was where you proved it with any valid evidence/examples. must be my oversight.

also, how exactly did he misrepresent your position? what he posited seemed like a valid parallel to your argument, to me. ince again, likely my oversight, if you would be so kind as to set me right.



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25 Apr 2014, 7:03 pm

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Raptor when he dresses up to fight liberals.ConservativeMan or Con-Man for short. :P
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25 Apr 2014, 7:30 pm

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I have a feeling Raptors afraid of places where liberalism is the majority like San Francisco!

I bet I can adapt better to Frisco than you could to some ultra-conservaive city in Texas or Utah BTW, old George Carlin should just stick to comedy and leave politics to someone else. I have no use for political commentary, conservative or liberal, from a comedian.


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25 Apr 2014, 8:52 pm

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I have a feeling Raptors afraid of places where liberalism is the majority like San Francisco!

I bet I can adapt better to Frisco than you could to some ultra-conservaive city in Texas or Utah BTW, old George Carlin should just stick to comedy and leave politics to someone else. I have no use for political commentary, conservative or liberal, from a comedian.


Kinda too late to tell Carlin that.


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25 Apr 2014, 8:55 pm

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I have a feeling Raptors afraid of places where liberalism is the majority like San Francisco!

I bet I can adapt better to Frisco than you could to some ultra-conservaive city in Texas or Utah BTW, old George Carlin should just stick to comedy and leave politics to someone else. I have no use for political commentary, conservative or liberal, from a comedian.


Kinda too late to tell Carlin that.


i'll pass it on to him when i get to hell. :wink:



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25 Apr 2014, 9:09 pm

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yes, i saw where you attempted to argue that--i guess what i missed was where you proved it with any valid evidence/examples. must be my oversight.


Oversight is accidental, what you do isn't so easily corrected.

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also, how exactly did he misrepresent your position? what he posited seemed like a valid parallel to your argument, to me. ince again, likely my oversight, if you would be so kind as to set me right.


I can't be held responsible for your inability to follow an argument or distinguish a valid point from an invalid one, as demonstrated in multiple threads now. Notice also that I appealed to GGPV's intellect and didn't feel the need to explain any further to him, but approach you differently; that is not accidental.


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25 Apr 2014, 9:11 pm

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starvingartist wrote:
yes, i saw where you attempted to argue that--i guess what i missed was where you proved it with any valid evidence/examples. must be my oversight.


Oversight is accidental, what you do isn't so easily corrected.

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also, how exactly did he misrepresent your position? what he posited seemed like a valid parallel to your argument, to me. ince again, likely my oversight, if you would be so kind as to set me right.


I can't be held responsible for your inability to follow an argument or distinguish a valid point from an invalid one, as demonstrated in multiple threads now. Notice also that I appealed to GGPV's intellect and didn't feel the need to explain any further to him, but approach you differently; that is not accidental.


awwww, is that your nice way of telling me i'm dumb? :D



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25 Apr 2014, 9:32 pm

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awwww, is that your nice way of telling me i'm dumb? :D


Your words, not mine.

Post an actual rebuttal that isn't circular and poorly reasoned, and I'll respond to it, keep up the insults and naked assertions, and I'll go where those take me.
Also, I'll remind you that you openly admitted to trolling me last time, which as I said then, isn't something that I'm inclined to tolerate. I approach my debates in good faith, and expect the same of others.


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25 Apr 2014, 9:36 pm

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awwww, is that your nice way of telling me i'm dumb? :D


Your words, not mine.

Post an actual rebuttal that isn't circular and poorly reasoned, and I'll respond to it, keep up the insults and naked assertions, and I'll go where those take me.
Also, I'll remind you that you openly admitted to trolling me last time, which as I said then, isn't something that I'm inclined to tolerate. I approach my debates in good faith, and expect the same of others.


:lol: you really should learn to follow your own advice. i can live with you thinking i'm stupid. :)



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25 Apr 2014, 9:58 pm

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starvingartist wrote:
can you explain how it's a straw-man? i just want to understand your superior grasp of the situation.


He's misrepresenting my position in order to more easily attack/mock it; I never claimed that religious homophobes get a pass, I rather explicitly renounced that position pages ago, I instead argued that religious opposition to gay marriage is not necessarily irrational or homophobic, a distinction that he is smart enough to understand, if not endorse.



If you are opposed to allowing gay people to marry, then you are opposed to gay people having the exact same rights as all other human beings. It is discrimination, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if your reasons for opposing gay marriage are religious in nature or otherwise. As a gay person, if a religious person walked up to me and said, I have no problem with the fact that you're gay, but I don't think you should be allowed to get married because my religion forbids it, then all I hear is, "I have no problem with the fact that you're gay, but I have a problem with the fact that you are gay because my religion does." It makes no sense because it is completely contradictory. If a person doesn't believe I should be entitled to the same rights as them because I'm gay, then that person is NO friend of mine, and if they aren't a friend to gay people, then what are they exactly? You are obviously NOT a gay person. If you WERE a gay person you would understand why your argument is quite invalid. I don't care why someone thinks I shouldn't have the same rights as them, I only care that they do. So you can continue to sit there in your own little universe and pretend that it's possible to like gay people but be against them marrying for religious reasons if you like, but it only makes you look stupid, not the people arguing against you.



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25 Apr 2014, 10:21 pm

starvingartist wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
I have a feeling Raptors afraid of places where liberalism is the majority like San Francisco!

I bet I can adapt better to Frisco than you could to some ultra-conservaive city in Texas or Utah BTW, old George Carlin should just stick to comedy and leave politics to someone else. I have no use for political commentary, conservative or liberal, from a comedian.


Kinda too late to tell Carlin that.


i'll pass it on to him when i get to hell. :wink:


Why would either you or George be condemned to the fiery, putrid pit? :lol:


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25 Apr 2014, 10:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
I have a feeling Raptors afraid of places where liberalism is the majority like San Francisco!

I bet I can adapt better to Frisco than you could to some ultra-conservaive city in Texas or Utah BTW, old George Carlin should just stick to comedy and leave politics to someone else. I have no use for political commentary, conservative or liberal, from a comedian.


Kinda too late to tell Carlin that.


i'll pass it on to him when i get to hell. :wink:


Why would either you or George be condemned to the fiery, putrid pit? :lol:


stupidity? :lol: :lol: :lol:

(that was directed at me, in case that wasn't clear--i loved the man and his wit. :wink: )



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25 Apr 2014, 10:30 pm

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If you are opposed to allowing gay people to marry, then you are opposed to gay people having the exact same rights as all other human beings. It is discrimination, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if your reasons for opposing gay marriage are religious in nature or otherwise. As a gay person, if a religious person walked up to me and said, I have no problem with the fact that you're gay, but I don't think you should be allowed to get married because my religion forbids it, then all I hear is, "I have no problem with the fact that you're gay, but I have a problem with the fact that you are gay because my religion does." It makes no sense because it is completely contradictory. If a person doesn't believe I should be entitled to the same rights as them because I'm gay, then that person is NO friend of mine, and if they aren't a friend to gay people, then what are they exactly? You are obviously NOT a gay person. If you WERE a gay person you would understand why your argument is quite invalid. I don't care why someone thinks I shouldn't have the same rights as them, I only care that they do. So you can continue to sit there in your own little universe and pretend that it's possible to like gay people but be against them marrying for religious reasons if you like, but it only makes you look stupid, not the people arguing against you.


Please actually read the entire thread before wading in firing off ill informed broadsides. Thank you.


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25 Apr 2014, 10:30 pm

starvingartist wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
I have a feeling Raptors afraid of places where liberalism is the majority like San Francisco!

I bet I can adapt better to Frisco than you could to some ultra-conservaive city in Texas or Utah BTW, old George Carlin should just stick to comedy and leave politics to someone else. I have no use for political commentary, conservative or liberal, from a comedian.


Kinda too late to tell Carlin that.


i'll pass it on to him when i get to hell. :wink:


Why would either you or George be condemned to the fiery, putrid pit? :lol:


stupidity? :lol: :lol: :lol:

(that was directed at me, in case that wasn't clear--i loved the man and his wit. :wink: )


Oh, I thought George was great, too!


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25 Apr 2014, 10:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
I have a feeling Raptors afraid of places where liberalism is the majority like San Francisco!

I bet I can adapt better to Frisco than you could to some ultra-conservaive city in Texas or Utah BTW, old George Carlin should just stick to comedy and leave politics to someone else. I have no use for political commentary, conservative or liberal, from a comedian.


Kinda too late to tell Carlin that.


i'll pass it on to him when i get to hell. :wink:


Why would either you or George be condemned to the fiery, putrid pit? :lol:


stupidity? :lol: :lol: :lol:

(that was directed at me, in case that wasn't clear--i loved the man and his wit. :wink: )


Oh, I thought George was great, too!


my ex couldn't sleep without background noise of some kind so for 2 years i fell asleep listening to carlin's old stand-up routines--one of the few things i DON'T rue about that relationship. :wink: