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if democrats arne't left then omg f*****g god real left people must be insane mudreders.

also the democrats don't attack lol

does the 1994 assaut weapon ban ring a bell?
what ahout the recent attempt?
ammo ban ?
amor ban?
banning ammo left and right?
trying to ban magazines over 10 rounds?
UBC?
goes on and on and on. they've been on the attack since obama got elected non stop. if one bill fails they just make another similar one and push it. they go about sneak ways to get them passed. tell republican senators to shut up when they try to bring up the bills flaws. they label the bills here was state of emergencies so that the people you know citizens who pay taxes can't even bring it to a population vote. why cause they know it won't pass. no they have to sneak it through. yeah the left never attacks anyone they just sit and take a beating lol, thats the biggest piece of s**t I've heard all my life. when has the left ever stopped attacking??? never cause its never gonna be enough til all guns are baned and we can only eat vegetables. then it'll be knifes.

I wish I could go a few months without there being some attack on gun owners by the democrats. as it they propose laws weekly. trying to slowly chip away at gun ownership. then every year swinging that the big one.

oh but they also make time to increase taxes, and come up with new ways to tax us. oh no people are doing what we said and driving hybrids, but now we aren't making enough gas tax. well lets raise the gas tax and add a new millage tax to everyone even those bastard pro environment electric car a**holes. meanwhile lets double the registration and tag fee. tax tax tax democrats love taxing. they also love taking money from corporations just as much as republicans do where you live. grass isn't greener on the other side.

budgets start in the house the senate then obama and he refuses to sign them. he'll just veto everything they pass. obama the veto president. lol

both sides won't agree and both sides are stubborn pieces of s**t. but I'd rather have that then senate and house of democrats shoving s**t down our throats. or all three branches of republicans ssi people. rather we just get ride of congress except for the budget and treaties. we have enough fing laws. they just take money and make laws to look busy.

you guys make me ashamed to be a democrat. and you assume I am a republican right living person but I'm not I'm the middle ground people. we are the 80% we'd like if both parties would just stop and leave us alone please.

also i think its horrible and ironic that you go and attack me in another thread. just proves the left loves attacking people. my thread had nothing to do with the other one. nothing to do with race. but it does now I guess cause inorder to defend the left the left has to make me out to be some horrible racis, sexis, rebpublian. whoever said the left does character assassination is totally right.

Yes, I seem to have offended him by switching over from implying that his opinions are ignorant and poorly thought out to outright stating such, and he seems to think that not referring to me by name will accomplish something, though what that might be I'm not sure of. I do like how he seems to think that we've somehow poisoned the forum against him though, as opposed to the rather obvious truth, that unlike him, other people pay attention to what is being said and remember it, such as a history of blind partisan zealotry and moronic unsupported anti-gunnery. It's even funnier in light of him repeatedly trying to hang the right winger label on me while trying to tap-dance around his years of gun related foolishness.

As to Sly's OP, you're dealing with a group of people who think that their opinions are so correct and righteous and self evident that the only reason anyone could oppose them is that they're brainwashed or mendacious or stupid, regardless of the fact that many holders of said left wing opinions are exactly those things. It's actually very similar to the reason that the US has been such a deadly opponent throughout our existence, our American exceptionalism perception makes it very easy to see ourselves as such a force of goodness and righteousness in the world that anyone opposing us must be evil, since only evil would oppose freedom and light and all that, making it very easy to justify anything we might do to such evil people. The right of course has similar problems, but between the lefty skew of the internet generally and the way that the left tries to simultaneously claim the mantle of liberalism and impose upon such fundamental rights as speech, expression, association, security of one's person and property, etc, it does rankle a bit more.

Also, I've posted this numerous times because it's so good, but you really should read this if you haven't, it's like having psychic powers when arguing with internet liberals:
http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/09/ ... checklist/

i wonder what the us would be like if the media wa majority conservative, if hollywood was conservative.

I thnk right now he's exercising a personal little boycott of both of us, claiming that we gang up on him or whatever.

I've been considering compiling a list of quotes and links to them of his anti-gun posts and attaching them to each time he claims not to be anti-gun.

Ok so here is an answer to the OP. Direct and unambiguous.

The Left appear to attack the right because we will not let them have their narrow minded conservative society . We criticize them because we see them as a bunch of self serving a***holes who care nothing about anybody other than those in their small minded group.

The Right get involved in the lives of minorities, demanding they conform to their very narrow concept of what society should represent. In their view the individual is king, and is responsible for their own lives, the merest mention of taxes being used to help those in need is seen as an wanton misuse of them. Heck the far right do not even agree with taxation and see this as theft.

Fundamentally the left see the right wing as unethical, immoral a***holes who care little about those less fortunate or those whose genetic make up that puts them at odds with conservative values and "morals"

So cry all you want, demand the right to be a self serving a**hole. Cry that those who want a more inclusive, fairer, more equitable world are attacking your fundamental rights to be at liberty to do what the heck you want. Cry your pathetic tears that your world is being destroyed by left wing do-gooders and homosexuals, and people who "refuse to help themselves". Indeed cry that we will try to prevent you from manipulating and exploiting the masses.

What I find hilarious is the common right wing perception that laws supported by the majority of the population are an assault on their democratic rights. And further that Marxism = Totalitarianism when in fact the concept is probably the most democratic model ever proposed (this does not mean I think it is plausible that it can be implemented, far from it, too many people are too self centred to ever allow it.)

One last thing to those of you who refuse to vaccinate your children. Be aware that the main reason why your kids are safe is because the rest of the population do not believe in pseudoscience and idiotic conspiracy theories and have vaccinated their kids.

Sometimes it is entertaining to sit back and watch the left and the right snipe at each other. Other times it is just plain aggravating.

The most entertaining and annoying thing about them is that they are basically the same thing, just with different agendas.

They are little more than two related "tribes" with tribal mentalities of us vs them as they jockey for power with each other.

This serves to show just how politically ignorant you are




The joke is on you

List of Veto by president

Veto's Bush 12 Obama 4

So if Obama is to be derided for his use of veto, what then for your George doubleya and his Pa

BS. One side cares about the majority of the population the other cares for themselves. What I find hilarious/deeply troubling, is that politics have shifted so far to the right in recent decades that the contemporary policies of the US Democrats which would have once been seen as right wing are now described as socialist. The same here in Australia where at the last election the Labor party (supposedly left wing similar to the Democrats) were constantly attacking the Liberals (right wing and proud of it) from the right, ie they were introducing policies that one were more right wing than the Liberals.

Me <---------democrat.

though the way democrats attack me and others just pushes us toward the right. if you gonna hate us and call us the evil right then why the f**k should we just not go join them?

if I'm going be punished for a deed I might as well get the fun of doing it.

heres a lesson to you all just because someone disagrees with you on a topic doesn't' make them a republican. it not a all or nothing world like you think you live in.

the left doesn't appear to attack they do attack. you just don't care cause they aren't attacking you.

omg you call me a self serving a**hole DentArthurDent

I'm your less fortunate or those whose genetic make up that puts them at odds with conservative values that you so claim to defend and yet here you are attacking me just like the left.

lets see I get food stamps, ssi, ssdi, vocational services. pell grants for all my schooling. medicare, medicaid. you attack me cause why? cause I don't agree wit you and the left on guns and immigration? so two issues that I don't agree with condemn me to be a called a self serving a**hole. and people wonder why people feel attacked by and hate the left.

the problem is the laws aren't support by the majority. thats the f*****g problem. the left lies about them being so but they aren't just like the right lied about laws back in the day. people want guns banned. but yet theres over 200 people against it on the day they talk about it and 0 there in support of it. but yeah the majority want it. thats why every non liberal biased poll says people don't want it. thats why every poll open to the public at large comes out against it. in liberal land 20% is the majority. the other 80% can just f**k off.

bet if dems dropped gun control they'd get a whole lot of the gun owners on their side. but instead they choose to attack and push away people on a stupid ass non issue.

um its just began my friend the right just only got control of both houses of congress in which to pass their laws for obama to veto. and he still has about 2 years to beat bush all the right has to do is keep passing laws any laws.

the right doesn't only care about themselves. though you do realise 48% of the nation voted republican right? so they care about and represent 48% of the voters in the last election. people who the left doesn't' give one s**t about. left hates gun owners right protects them. well at least to the point to get their votes. I'll vote for a simi ok with guns republican over an anti gun democrat every day of the year. they at least fake caring about me.

I'm in the middle hated by both groups but the rights too busy fighting defensively to go after me currently. they'll playing it safe hoping for president. they hit at ssi which pisses me off going run out next year because of them but thats next year and i sure they'll fix it by then or keep pushing it back. better than what the dems would do which would be banning my guns today. if they'd got what they wanted I'd be dead or a felon.

I say f**k both parties. f**k all politicians. left right politicians only care about themselves and making money so keep living in the make believe world where left politicians care about you and not their wallet. whatever helps you sleep at night.

you're from ausie land lol
you don't even know jack about our left then why do you even care about what happens in another nation thousands of miles across the pacific. you're worse than them because you have no say, no interest and don't have to deal with any of the stuff they do here. you set all safe in asuie land.

look I don't 'try to interfere in your nation so stay out of our business.

am I the only one who sees the irony in the left attacking the people they claim to fight for and defend?

The side that thinks it cares about others is merely delusional about the issue. The reality is that both of the two "tribes" are acting in what they perceive as their own interest.

Well this very much depends on what you perceive as leftwing and Socialist. If by this you infer modern incarnations of social democracy eg the reformist parties of the 20th century then I am inclined to agree with you. However even with these parties/ideologies it can be argued that the rank and file members had the interests of the majority at heart. If you are talking Marxism / Trotskyism then I am inclined to disagree due to the fact that the membership from the top down had the interests of the majority in mind. Now you may pedantically suggest that even this meant that they were serving their own interests, but to do so would be taking the whole discussion of self interest to a rather asinine level.

Well, I would say this: Those who say we're being "stupid" because we understand what both science and the medical community have discovered about vaccines being safe and effective are being doubly ignorant. These are often the same people that think vaccines cause autism or want that ignorant ignorant view "respected" which has been repeatedly debunked (and the one study in support was found to be a hoax). Of course those with that view also assume "autism" is the same as the child losing their mind, which is insulting to autistic people and plainly untrue. These are also the same ignoramuses that believe in stuffing bleach down their kids' throats in the hope that it would "rid" them of "autism," when nothing supports that, there is no known science or medicine that recognizes such "therapy" to be effective. I'm sorry, but I cannot "respect" such beliefs, because of how singularly harmful they are to children.

You have to look at science and base your law on what science says and scientists are telling us things yet people are determined to NOT listen to the scientists and these are the SAME people who will turn around and call others ignorant in other circumstances when they won't listen to the science. We all have areas of science-blindness, I guess.

Not only do scientists tell us about the safety of vaccines, they also tell us about climate change yet so many don't want to listen. In my state they don't want to switch to the cleaner energy, whatever that means, but I say just give us really good solar panels and batteries with a 100 year lifespan, or longer on them and we'll be fine. Save a ton of money on electricity and no more pesky coal or natural gas belching fumes into the atmosphere. Sounds like a win/win to me. Sure it takes energy to produce the dang things, that's why you gotta produce something that has a really long life span. Then you don't have to produce so much.

This entire area, including Texas, which is one of the most populous states along with California, New York and Florida, is prime for wind and solar energy. There is absolutely no reason to use coal in this area. It's perfect for these other options. If we all switched to wind and solar in these sun belt states, which also happen to be really windy, that would equate millions of people liberated from obnoxious coal and methane. It seems logical to use these sources.

As for U.S. budget...

The Congress passed a law in 1921 setting up the Office of Management and Budget under the Executive branch.
The President and this office, draft the budget and then submit it to the budget committees in the House and Senate as required by law.
This was done to end political corruption with the budget.

Each of the committees will either pass the budget to the full chamber, or amend it.
Then each chamber votes on the budget or their version of the budget.
If there is two different versions, they must reconcile them.
In the end the Senate only needs 51 votes to pass budgets and spending bills.
They send it to the president, who holds the rights to veto said budget.
The budgets run from October 1st to September 30th.

There hasn't been a full budget passed in 6 years because the House GOP members have killed it in committee each time, because the Senate and Obama wouldn't agree to their terms.

Last month the House GOP nearly caused the Department of Homeland Security (which includes immigration) to shut down because the House GOP members refused to pass the clean bipartisan spending bill the Senate passed.
House GOP put in a lot of "repeals" in their spending bill, but despite having almost a 2/3rds majority, they were unable to muster enough votes to pass it.

So the House GOP then passed the Senate bill and Obama received it 5 minutes before shutdown was to occur...!

Speaker Boehner, literally won reelection to the Speaker post by a few votes, with all conservatives voting against him.
It was the right leaning moderates that saved his post.
He is purposely refusing to bring bills to a vote that would upset the conservative members of his own party, in order to keep his post.

His House members hate him for being to bipartisan with Obama and Democrats.
They want him to stick to the other side hard.

As I understand it, that's not quite correct. They vote on their own budget resolutions, reconcile the resolutions in committee, and then vote on the result which is never sent to the President for his signature. They are, instead, binding on both houses of Congress as they pass the appropriation bills which are then reconciled and sent to the President. These are signed (or vetoed) by the President.



Not true. In 2010, for instance, The House never passed a budget resolution. Guess what? The House was controlled by the Democrats at that time, not Republicans. Furthermore, it isn't just the House -- the Senate also failed to pass budget resolutions for some years.

For example, in 2012, from http://www.nationalpriorities.org/blog/2012/05/16/why-senate-wont-pass-budget/:

So you can blame it on the Republican controlled House of Representatives all you want, but it just shows you to be a partisan hack with no regard for the truth.