I hate feminazis

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Missed what exactly?

This is exactly what I'm talking about having to walk on eggshell becuase something might be misinterpreted. I don't subscribe to such thought control, I give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time.

Did you read the context? They don't have personalities like you or I becuase I was talking about people who like things I find inane, and you wouldn't agree with. We are all individual after all.

My sister she is very very driven and successful, she is not the sort of person scared to ask for a raise. She is also highly intelligent and good at what she does. However she won't take much interest in general knowledge or current events, she has said as much. She says she would rather spend the small amount of free time has reading Cosmopolitan or Hello magazine, rather than find out about things. We think its is drivel, but she is entitled to be the person she wants. This is not pressure put on on her by the family, on the contrary. Also my parent are more liberal than she is and so am I.



You are tired of explaining yourself. Well, I think if someone has a political ideas and they want things to change, it kind of goes with he territory you have to make the case and persuade people.

I'm saying good do it, but

People

So based on your experience with your sister you believe a) that all women share her interest in glamour magazines, and b) that your finding something inane means that their personality is different than yours? I guess it's true that someone's personality would differ from yours, but like you say, everyone is individual, so I guess no one's personality is the same as another's. I guess I'm just not sure why gender is coming into this.

I, personally, feel that people should be seen as individuals--rather than as members of a gender.

I'm a man, and I feel like a man, and I come across as a man--but I'm not like many men. I've done the "bonding thing" with a considerable amount of reluctance. I was scorned, in fact, by the kind of men who do the "bonding thing." I don't like sitting around railing about "woman are this, and woman are that." Because it's counterproductive. And it really isn't true.

Most of my bosses, especially in recent times, have been women. I've no objection to that. Some have been nice, some have been not-so-nice, just like the male bosses of my less-recent times.

Sometimes, I like to hang out with men because they're (usually) aren't as fussy about the furniture, or about the house in general, than women. Sometimes, I like to hang out with women because they don't have as much desire to "one-up" you as many men.

Had a bit of a bad morning, so perhaps I was a bit short. Let me break it down further for you.




When the evidence you present does not bear out the conclusions you draw from it, it's not strange that people do not accept it as gospel. When you then try to present your "experience as a woman" as evidence for what "women go through", it just makes it all the more apparent that you are building an undisprovable position based on feelings, anecdotes and "lived experience" rather than facts and data. And when you finally backpedal into claims about sexism being endemic to the system and internalized misogyny, all you're really saying is "the devil exists, but he's invisible, so you must take it on faith!"

Sexism exists. Sexists exists. These facts do not mean that a system wherein these exist is tainted in full by that fact.

And unless you have transitioned between sexes, what "lived experience" do you have as a man so as to compare the two? Or do you simply make that bit up? Might I venture to suggest Norah Vincent's "Self Made Man" for some perspective? It's on my "to-read" list, but the gist seems clear to me.

I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege.
— Norah Vincent




"Even when women are mean to each other, men are to blame". Because there is no way for that omnipresent and omnipotent cabal of evil men known as "the patriarchy" not to be responsible for everything that ever befalls women, right?

Regarding the patriarchy, here's an interesting study: Link

Turns out that women have an instinctive reflex to favour other women over men, but men don't have the same regarding other men. Kind of makes it seem like the patriarchy is a phantasm concocted by some women modeled on what they would to if they were in power, doesn't it?

And if your idea of oppression is that women who don't ask for raises aren't given raises anyway, then you demonstrate rather vividly that western women on the whole are among the most privileged groups in history. Now, I'm not opposed to a free and prosperous society, but the oppression narrative is really getting old.



I'm not saying I don't believe you, and I don't think anyone else said that either. What was said was that your personal experience is just that, and in gathering data you would be one (or possibly a few, depending on the criteria) blip of data. I was hit by a car this august. That doesn't mean that this society has a systemic problem of men getting hit by cars.




Here's the bit that bugged me the most; you can't seem to see past your own genitals, and so you think no one else can. Every disagreement, every counterpoint, evey perspective other than you own is an attack against you and your genitals. It's not that your evidence doesn't bear out. It's not that you resort to emotional arguments at the drop of a hat. It's not that you're incredibly thin-skinned and prone to personal attacks and imputations about other peoples character. No, it's misogyny all the way! And you, as a fellow aspie, should know full well how careful one should be when speculating about anothers level of empathy.

I'm a straight man. I love women. It is in my very DNA to cherish women, to protect women, to provide for women as far as I am able. My sister is a woman. My mother is a woman. My niece is a...girl. Most of my co-workers are women, as are most of my relatives and neighbours, even some of my friends. So when you and your ilk start talking about how my sex and gender expressions are "problematic", how I'm a "potential rapist" and an "oppressor", how men with Aspergers Syndrome are "natural clueless harassers" and how my love is actually hatred in disguise, you forfeit any right to expect anything but my scorn.

The cherishing, protection and provision are odd to me. Obviously children should garner these things, but why women? They are not needed in modern civilization.

Emphasis on "modern". The instinct didn't get removed in the last 250 ish years.

^ Unless you're considered "ugly" by men.

It's amazing how fast the male "urge to protect" disappears when they have no desire to have sex with you.

Men cannot give birth. So who's gonna create the next generation?

I meant cherishing, protection and provision are not needed in modern civilization. It is interesting that when you think of the value of women, you immediately go to child birth.

Erm, context. I interpreted "they" to imply that women are somehow not needed in modern civilization. If someone said that men are no longer necessary I'd ask "who's gonna produce the sperm?".

The only people that use that term are misogynist jerks who don't know what feminism is.

Fair enough.

I can't say I'm overcome with a desire to protect, cherish and provide for men, even if I was interested in their sperm. I'd rather we just enjoy each other's company.

I have cherished my time with women. I have cherished all the lovely moments I have had.

I have been with women who felt "secure" with me, and "safe."

I've never really felt a desire to "provide" for a woman. I like it better if we have separate bank accounts.

I think there has to be a mutual respect between man and woman. But I don't believe men and women have to be the same in every way. I get more turned on by a feminine woman (not weak, not meek) than an androgynous woman. I've known feminine women who wear cut-off jeans and tee shirts with safety pins on them.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

These creeps are clearly into zoophilia, then.

I'm hideous ... look away, look away!

Seriously, there is a difference between rescuing a creature in fear for it's life and having feelings of protection for another. If said ugly person was in danger I would hope he or she would not go unhelped based on their appearance. This is different than having a relationship.