Why do some people feel the need to denigrate the religious?
On the flipside there are some religious people who do the same to those of other religions or no religion at all.
I do think these people are just a loud, annoying minority in both sides.
Why do you think they do this? I see no purpose in it. Why can't people just be decent to each other, in your opinion?
If the religious were more peaceful and moral, no one would bother them.
Truth is that the religious have cause the worst evil that this world has seen, and the religious continue to harm gays and women thanks to their immoral homophobic and misogynous ways.
If you are a Christian, or Muslim, why did you complain against people above who push their views verbally, as compared to your religious ancestors who used the sword instead of decent arguments?
Are the religious not the worst offenders of the offence you purport goes to the other side?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk
Regards
DL
First off, I didn't mention anything about me being religious. And I said that religious people also forcefully push beleifs. I just see this happen more with atheists (personal experience, nothing more.)
Second, i assume you are referring to the crusades by 'religious ancestors who used the sword instead of decent arguments'. The crusades have a very complex background behind them. In the context of the first crusade, Turkish Muslim troops invaded Byzantine lands. The general of the Byzantines, Alexius Comnendus, took control of the empire and requested help from Europe. The pope, who had been in the process of trying to better relations with the byzantines quickly accepted, to achieve better relations with the Byzantines and drive out the Muslims, who were refusing to allow Christian pilgrims into Jerusalem.
All in all, I would see the first crusade is pretty well justified. There was a splinter group of crusaders, however, who left before the main group and committed unnecessary slaughter throughout small towns (Jewish in particular). At some of the seiges throughout the crusade, after victory the soldiers, who had lost friends in the fighting took it out on disarmed enemies and helpless civilians, but this was not the direct action of the leaders (with exceptions).
I was not referring to the crusades.
I was referring to the many Inquisitions with Christians killing other Christians on minor points of ideology.
I was speaking to how Christianity, which now advocates for freedom of thought and religion, while ignoring that they themselves murdered many to deny them their religious rights.
Regards
DL
The give a specific example.
Also, you said before that Jesus apparently flooged the flesh off people.
He didn't. He whipped around them and threatened them, but did not actually physically hit them. He scared the, out of the temple.
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Why are the non religious falsely criticized and put down for their lack of beliefs by some people? The religious aren't the only ones that face insults and wrongful acts, so why only view one part of a larger issue? And how would you define what false criticism would be, or what is considered an insult? Are you including all challenges to beliefs under the purpose of this thread, or is it just when people degrade to using belittlement and insults as their argument? I don't feel that I can give a proper response to your original question until there is more clarity on the subject at hand. I don't mean any of these questions in a rude way, it is simply for the sake of clarity.
I never got this either. Theists follow moral codes that are based on texts sometimes thousands of years old when the world was chaotic. This managed to maintain order and governance in those times. I like to think some of it is still applicable to this day discounting whether or not people want to believe in blue people and beard wizards.
Atheists claim society would be more advanced and peaceful without religion but the modern protesting in the West leads me to believe that without a universal moral code that is concrete many have turned to amorality and degeneracy, while claiming these are the traits of theists.
I think all in all, society benefits from having both theists and atheists and the two need to work together to form a peaceful society.
Yet religions are the greatest cause of war and conflict thanks to their idol worship of imaginary Gods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk
Regards
DL
On the flipside there are some religious people who do the same to those of other religions or no religion at all.
I do think these people are just a loud, annoying minority in both sides.
Why do you think they do this? I see no purpose in it. Why can't people just be decent to each other, in your opinion?
If the religious were more peaceful and moral, no one would bother them.
Truth is that the religious have cause the worst evil that this world has seen, and the religious continue to harm gays and women thanks to their immoral homophobic and misogynous ways.
If you are a Christian, or Muslim, why did you complain against people above who push their views verbally, as compared to your religious ancestors who used the sword instead of decent arguments?
Are the religious not the worst offenders of the offence you purport goes to the other side?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk
Regards
DL
First off, I didn't mention anything about me being religious. And I said that religious people also forcefully push beleifs. I just see this happen more with atheists (personal experience, nothing more.)
Second, i assume you are referring to the crusades by 'religious ancestors who used the sword instead of decent arguments'. The crusades have a very complex background behind them. In the context of the first crusade, Turkish Muslim troops invaded Byzantine lands. The general of the Byzantines, Alexius Comnendus, took control of the empire and requested help from Europe. The pope, who had been in the process of trying to better relations with the byzantines quickly accepted, to achieve better relations with the Byzantines and drive out the Muslims, who were refusing to allow Christian pilgrims into Jerusalem.
All in all, I would see the first crusade is pretty well justified. There was a splinter group of crusaders, however, who left before the main group and committed unnecessary slaughter throughout small towns (Jewish in particular). At some of the seiges throughout the crusade, after victory the soldiers, who had lost friends in the fighting took it out on disarmed enemies and helpless civilians, but this was not the direct action of the leaders (with exceptions).
I was not referring to the crusades.
I was referring to the many Inquisitions with Christians killing other Christians on minor points of ideology.
I was speaking to how Christianity, which now advocates for freedom of thought and religion, while ignoring that they themselves murdered many to deny them their religious rights.
Regards
DL
The give a specific example.
Also, you said before that Jesus apparently flooged the flesh off people.
He didn't. He whipped around them and threatened them, but did not actually physically hit them. He scared the, out of the temple.
How droll.
Here is your example. It is one of many.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4
Regards
DL
Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
I can't help but think of Bruce Lee's "Its like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory."
screw Bruce Lee - the finger is the incredibly complex structure, perceived by the even more complex structres of eye and brain, -the moon is a bright rock that's reflecting sunlight.
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I can read facial expressions. I did the test.
So are you're saying that "it's Bruce Lee who deserves the finger!"?
Lol!
Well... I dunno 'bout that, but....
Bruce Lee was obviously riffing on the words of an even more ancient Asian sage: Buddha.
Buddha said "the finger that points to the Moon is not the moon".
In other words "the symbol is not the thing being represented".
Lee was kinda taking that, and running further with it. Not sure WHERE he was running to with it. Will have to ponder that myself, and get back to you.
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I can't help but think of Bruce Lee's "Its like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory."
screw Bruce Lee - the finger is the incredibly complex structure, perceived by the even more complex structres of eye and brain, -the moon is a bright rock that's reflecting sunlight.
Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
One of my most basic concepts and beleifs is to show respect to EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or think thst something is good, and anyone who is actually a christian does not think the holocaust was a good thing. You have some really twisted worldveiws man.
For example, there was a man (whom i cannot remember the name of at present, but regardless its a good story) who was a criminal. Eventually he killed a man and he got caught. In jail the mans wife came to visit him, where she said she forgave him and gave him a copy of the bible.
Did she think it was right that he killed her husband? No. But what she did is a perfect example of showing respect.
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Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
One of my most basic concepts and beleifs is to show respect to EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or think thst something is good, and anyone who is actually a christian does not think the holocaust was a good thing. You have some really twisted worldveiws man.
For example, there was a man (whom i cannot remember the name of at present, but regardless its a good story) who was a criminal. Eventually he killed a man and he got caught. In jail the mans wife came to visit him, where she said she forgave him and gave him a copy of the bible.
Did she think it was right that he killed her husband? No. But what she did is a perfect example of showing respect.
Except the gays if I remember correctly.
Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
One of my most basic concepts and beleifs is to show respect to EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or think thst something is good, and anyone who is actually a christian does not think the holocaust was a good thing. You have some really twisted worldveiws man.
For example, there was a man (whom i cannot remember the name of at present, but regardless its a good story) who was a criminal. Eventually he killed a man and he got caught. In jail the mans wife came to visit him, where she said she forgave him and gave him a copy of the bible.
Did she think it was right that he killed her husband? No. But what she did is a perfect example of showing respect.
Except the gays if I remember correctly.
Most christians now don't have a problem with homosexuality. For example my mother is deeply religious and 2 pf her closest freinds are lesbians
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Veni, Vidi, Vici
proficere non satis est, oportet deficiant ceteri omnes
Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
One of my most basic concepts and beleifs is to show respect to EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or think thst something is good, and anyone who is actually a christian does not think the holocaust was a good thing. You have some really twisted worldveiws man.
For example, there was a man (whom i cannot remember the name of at present, but regardless its a good story) who was a criminal. Eventually he killed a man and he got caught. In jail the mans wife came to visit him, where she said she forgave him and gave him a copy of the bible.
Did she think it was right that he killed her husband? No. But what she did is a perfect example of showing respect.
Except the gays if I remember correctly.
Most christians now don't have a problem with homosexuality. For example my mother is deeply religious and 2 pf her closest freinds are lesbians
Maybe, but I think religion has slowed down that process to great extent. The biggest problem with religion is it's rigidity.
Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
One of my most basic concepts and beleifs is to show respect to EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or think thst something is good, and anyone who is actually a christian does not think the holocaust was a good thing. You have some really twisted worldveiws man.
For example, there was a man (whom i cannot remember the name of at present, but regardless its a good story) who was a criminal. Eventually he killed a man and he got caught. In jail the mans wife came to visit him, where she said she forgave him and gave him a copy of the bible.
Did she think it was right that he killed her husband? No. But what she did is a perfect example of showing respect.
Except the gays if I remember correctly.
Most christians now don't have a problem with homosexuality. For example my mother is deeply religious and 2 pf her closest freinds are lesbians
Maybe, but I think religion has slowed down that process to great extent. The biggest problem with religion is it's rigidity.
Yes, but its has become a lot less rigid in recent years. Its just peoples veiws of it haven't changed.
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Veni, Vidi, Vici
proficere non satis est, oportet deficiant ceteri omnes
Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
One of my most basic concepts and beleifs is to show respect to EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or think thst something is good, and anyone who is actually a christian does not think the holocaust was a good thing. You have some really twisted worldveiws man.
For example, there was a man (whom i cannot remember the name of at present, but regardless its a good story) who was a criminal. Eventually he killed a man and he got caught. In jail the mans wife came to visit him, where she said she forgave him and gave him a copy of the bible.
Did she think it was right that he killed her husband? No. But what she did is a perfect example of showing respect.
So you respect Hitler, Stalin, pedophiles et all.
Good for you.
I do not respect those like you who do not know who to disrespect.
Regards
DL
Please just be respectful.
Would you respect someone who believed that Hitler's genocide of the Jews was good and actively promoted that thinking?
If not, why would you respect Christians who think genocide is good and justified because God used it?
Regards
DL
One of my most basic concepts and beleifs is to show respect to EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. That doesn't mean I agree with them, or think thst something is good, and anyone who is actually a christian does not think the holocaust was a good thing. You have some really twisted worldveiws man.
For example, there was a man (whom i cannot remember the name of at present, but regardless its a good story) who was a criminal. Eventually he killed a man and he got caught. In jail the mans wife came to visit him, where she said she forgave him and gave him a copy of the bible.
Did she think it was right that he killed her husband? No. But what she did is a perfect example of showing respect.
So you respect Hitler, Stalin, pedophiles et all.
Good for you.
I do not respect those like you who do not know who to disrespect.
Regards
DL
You, are just a cynical, spiteful, hateful, blinded person. I hope one day you learn the meaning of decency
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