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02 Jun 2008, 11:05 pm

I think we just have to accept that I'm going to hell. :(



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02 Jun 2008, 11:25 pm

Say hello to Kenny McCormack.....


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02 Jun 2008, 11:29 pm

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Say hello to Kenny McCormack.....


Any special messages you want me to deliver?



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02 Jun 2008, 11:33 pm

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God knows atheists are cowards and malcontents.


Cowards would believe out of fear from the threat of eternal pain.

Malcontents is the wrong word. Change marches forward and is inevitable. Progress moves forward building on the past. Today's existing conditions are not yesterday's. Those cowards who fear change and progress try to cling to the past, to tradition.


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I think we just have to accept that I'm going to hell.


Separation from God(Which is all hell is) is growing up, like separation from your parents as you grow older. :lol:

Let the infants cling the their mothers breast(God).


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02 Jun 2008, 11:45 pm

Tell him to expect Raggy sometime.


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02 Jun 2008, 11:46 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Tell him to expect Raggy sometime.


You got it!



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03 Jun 2008, 2:00 am

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But why should atheists and non-believers in Jehovah be subject to it's laws (if there is proof of existance...)? A-theistic means that they are not theistic, which means they do not believe. So whether they go to heaven or hell is irrelevent to them, because neither place exists. They might end up somewhere else, or nowhere else; doesn't matter. The only ones who seem to be more worried about the heaven/hell concept are the Christians themselves. And if they are wrong, then they are still going to have to wait until death to find out. I don't KNOW anyone PERSONALLY who has died and came back to tell me of an afterlife, so until there is definite proof, I doubt there is one, Christian or otherwise. I'll stick with my BELIEF of reincarnation, just the same.


Muslims care about hell too, you know?

It might be irrelevant to an atheist whether heaven or hell exists, but it is not irrelevant to one who created heaven or hell, if such a place existed.


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03 Jun 2008, 2:02 am

Which is why they are the only ones who seem to really care. Atheists, pagans etc don't.


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03 Jun 2008, 2:05 am

oscuria wrote:
but it is not irrelevant to one who created heaven or hell



wrong choice in words...those who "created" "heaven and hell" are dead. those who perpetuate "heaven and hell" are the ones that it is relevant to.



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03 Jun 2008, 2:06 am

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Which is why they are the only ones who seem to really care. Atheists, pagans etc don't.


Which is why a person who believes in Heaven or Hell believes they, the unbelievers, will go to hell. Simple really.

If hell exists, I doubt very few of us would not find ourselves there.


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03 Jun 2008, 2:07 am

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oscuria wrote:
but it is not irrelevant to one who created heaven or hell



wrong choice in words...those who "created" "heaven and hell" are dead. those who perpetuate "heaven and hell" are the ones that it is relevant to.


You're picking at my wording. I meant created as in the Creator having created such a place. I didn't capitalize it because Heaven and Hell isn't part of my beliefs. At least not the Christian heaven or hell.


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03 Jun 2008, 4:28 am

It is not given to us to know where Atheists will go after they die.


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03 Jun 2008, 5:50 am

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The Abrahmic God has a dark side, indeed. And we'd be fools to deny it. This dark side is what we call Satan or the Devil.

Okay. That just isn’t in agreement with the Christian theology I’m familiar with. I was always tought that God is all good / benevolent. Satan is supposedly an aberration from God’s will, a fallen angel, i.e. not part of God at all. Not saying that your theology is wrong. It might actually be more in line with the original beliefs than modern Christianity is. According to some verses in the bible god did create evil. :shrug:

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If it's an advantage for a mystic tradition to be nontheistic, it's one of preference. Whatever you're most comfortable with is inherently an advantage. But there's more to religion than mysticism. And mysticism isn't without its shortcomings.

Most mystic traditions aren’t nontheistic. They’re mostly dualist. They have a creator deity but the creation was never intended to be perfect. Evil and suffering are not considered aberrations but essential parts of the universal order. This just seems more in line with nature to me. I’m still an atheist though.

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I don't think it's productive to have this defeatist attitude while comparing world religions. If mysticism is the way for you, go ahead and follow that path. I have been a Buddhist myself, and while I relished certain aspects of buddha-dharma, it felt awkward for me not to have someone to pray to. You're mistaken in your belief that monotheists don't have a mystic element to their worship.

I never said any of that.



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03 Jun 2008, 6:35 am

marshall wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
If it's an advantage for a mystic tradition to be nontheistic, it's one of preference. Whatever you're most comfortable with is inherently an advantage. But there's more to religion than mysticism. And mysticism isn't without its shortcomings.

Most mystic traditions aren’t nontheistic. They’re mostly dualist. They have a creator deity but the creation was never intended to be perfect. Evil and suffering are not considered aberrations but essential parts of the universal order. This just seems more in line with nature to me. I’m still an atheist though..



I don't agree with either of the two explanations of Mysticism. I am not sure what you, Marshall, had in mind of mysticism as there are many different kinds (I'm inclined to believe you have the Gnostics in mind), but as a Mystic myself there is no such thing as Dualism.

And most certainly it is monotheistic/monistic.

In mysticism, there is no such thing as Benevolence and Malevolence. There is no distinction (would be a better explanation to some).

At least in my interpretation.


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03 Jun 2008, 7:45 am

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MR_BOGAN wrote:
I'm an atheist. If there is a god, do you believe I will get into heaven? Or will I go to Hell.

What does your religion say will happen to me?


If you're an atheist, why do you care?


I'm just trying to understand religious people more. Curious that's all.

If I was religious and beleived that non believers would go to hell for that believing in my religion, I'd want to convert them.


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03 Jun 2008, 8:11 am

Kalister1 wrote:
I think we just have to accept that I'm going to hell. :(


Do you want to go to Hell? :?