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04 Mar 2022, 7:50 am

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Ukraine is going to lose this fight, it's that simple. The best they can do is damage mitigation and fleeing, possibly with as much military equipment as possible to Poland.

Russia will win the "first phase" of this war and declare victory (does the phrase "mission accomplished" sound familiar?) but following that there will be a never-ending insurgency which will cause years of misery for Russians. I can predict that because I can remember the same thing happening in Iraq.


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04 Mar 2022, 7:58 am

At best, it would be a Pyrrhic victory for the Russians.

It has already become a “morai victory” for the Ukrainians—though at extremely great cost to them.



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04 Mar 2022, 8:23 am

i wonder what % of russians actually support their brutal strongman of a leader?



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04 Mar 2022, 8:25 am

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i wonder what % of russians actually support their brutal strongman of a leader?

I would assume the majority support him but there are significant numbers of dissenters in urban areas. The usual pattern.


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04 Mar 2022, 8:26 am

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i wonder what % of russians actually support their brutal strongman of a leader?

I would assume the majority support him but there are significant numbers of dissenters in urban areas. The usual pattern.

then at least amuuuuricans won't be the only ones now painted with the brute brush.



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04 Mar 2022, 8:38 am

MaxE wrote:
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Ukraine is going to lose this fight, it's that simple. The best they can do is damage mitigation and fleeing, possibly with as much military equipment as possible to Poland.

Russia will win the "first phase" of this war and declare victory (does the phrase "mission accomplished" sound familiar?) but following that there will be a never-ending insurgency which will cause years of misery for Russians. I can predict that because I can remember the same thing happening in Iraq.


Given how easy the logistics are for the Russian military to deal with Ukrainian resistance compared to Iraq and Veitnam, I think while an insurgency is likely to happen, it won't go particularly far. If the Russians decide on a siege of all major cities then an insurgency can't even materialize.

Advanced armies only seem to get their arses kicked within cities where their tanks, planes and big guns are useless.

Ukranian Partizan forces popping up will certainly happen but I don't think they'll make much of a dent.



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04 Mar 2022, 8:39 am

are re-education camps for Ukrainians next?



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04 Mar 2022, 8:40 am

MaxE wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i wonder what % of russians actually support their brutal strongman of a leader?

I would assume the majority support him but there are significant numbers of dissenters in urban areas. The usual pattern.


I think the elderly are more likely to look at such traditional russian politics with rose tinted glasses. The younger generations seem less mornic.



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04 Mar 2022, 8:42 am

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At best, it would be a Pyrrhic victory for the Russians.

It has already become a “morai victory” for the Ukrainians—though at extremely great cost to them.


Considering how bad many wars have become, they're actually fairing pretty OK at the moment.



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04 Mar 2022, 8:51 am

My view, very simply, is that this war does not benefit anybody----and hurts everybody extremely. It's an absolutely useless exercise in futility on the part of the aggressors.

Even the Russians aren't going to fare well after all this.



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04 Mar 2022, 9:22 am

Am thinking Ukraine will be conquered , Russia will rebuild and reinstall its own government .
The rest of the world will go on .. all the very wealthy people will have made as much money as they could off the War . Then a few years will pass , lots of memorials to the dead and suffering people of Ukraine , they will be honored by the West . Then sanctions will be lifted after a fashion , or reduced , by subsequent US administrations
And world will go back to being a world that only the wealthy can afford to live in .
Did anyone happen to hear what Biden said , during his address about the US still getting gas fuel from Russia , then he said , “if Russia does not
Leave Ukraine only then will we introduce that as a additional sanction against Russia …”
WHAT THE FRICKEN BLOODY ‘ELL ? WE THE USA ARE STILL BUYING RUSSIAN OIL/ fuel . Who is in charge of our
USA government ….. is this suppose to be a game ????? Why are we doing any business with Russia . If we were
Serious about sanctions , why are we behaving this way as a country ????

This is playing a game of keep away,of Countries . With Ukrainians being caught in the middle .
It’s just like WW2 , when we were still selling products to Hitlers Germany , [ the railwayrails that led into the Dachua Extermination camps were made in the USA ] it is a oxymoron , and Jewish people were caught in the middle .
People need to pay attention and think these things through.


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04 Mar 2022, 9:25 am

Nades wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Nades wrote:
Ukraine is going to lose this fight, it's that simple. The best they can do is damage mitigation and fleeing, possibly with as much military equipment as possible to Poland.

Russia will win the "first phase" of this war and declare victory (does the phrase "mission accomplished" sound familiar?) but following that there will be a never-ending insurgency which will cause years of misery for Russians. I can predict that because I can remember the same thing happening in Iraq.


Given how easy the logistics are for the Russian military to deal with Ukrainian resistance compared to Iraq and Veitnam, I think while an insurgency is likely to happen, it won't go particularly far. If the Russians decide on a siege of all major cities then an insurgency can't even materialize.

Advanced armies only seem to get their arses kicked within cities where their tanks, planes and big guns are useless.

Ukranian Partizan forces popping up will certainly happen but I don't think they'll make much of a dent.

I guess I would need some explanation off how the tactical situation in Ukraine is different from Iraq as to me the 2 situations seem similar.


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04 Mar 2022, 9:31 am

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are re-education camps for Ukrainians next?


Consider many Ukrainians are of Russian descent , after Russia takes over , there will be no insurgency,
Everyone expressing dissent will be sent away or executed because they were turned in by there Russian neighbours .. it is a sad situation . The outcome is already known , and people are still dying . And will continue to .
In the name of their. Ex- country .


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04 Mar 2022, 9:32 am

Jakki wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
are re-education camps for Ukrainians next?


Consider many Ukrainians are of Russian descent , after Russia takes over , there will be no insurgency,
Everyone expressing dissent will be sent away or executed because they were turned in by there Russian neighbours .. it is a sad situation . The outcome is already known , and people are still dying . And will continue to .
In the name of their. Ex- country .

what an ugly little world we live in, a wicked, wicked world.



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04 Mar 2022, 9:35 am

MaxE wrote:
Nades wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Nades wrote:
Ukraine is going to lose this fight, it's that simple. The best they can do is damage mitigation and fleeing, possibly with as much military equipment as possible to Poland.

Russia will win the "first phase" of this war and declare victory (does the phrase "mission accomplished" sound familiar?) but following that there will be a never-ending insurgency which will cause years of misery for Russians. I can predict that because I can remember the same thing happening in Iraq.


Given how easy the logistics are for the Russian military to deal with Ukrainian resistance compared to Iraq and Veitnam, I think while an insurgency is likely to happen, it won't go particularly far. If the Russians decide on a siege of all major cities then an insurgency can't even materialize.

Advanced armies only seem to get their arses kicked within cities where their tanks, planes and big guns are useless.

Ukranian Partizan forces popping up will certainly happen but I don't think they'll make much of a dent.

I guess I would need some explanation off how the tactical situation in Ukraine is different from Iraq as to me the 2 situations seem similar.


Distance wise. It's a lot easier to move soldiers and equipment over a few hundred miles of land than thousands of miles of land and sea in a completely different climate. They can send as many soldiers as they like to deal with whatever problem they come across in a single day.



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04 Mar 2022, 9:52 am

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Distance wise. It's a lot easier to move soldiers and equipment over a few hundred miles of land than thousands of miles of land and sea in a completely different climate. They can send as many soldiers as they like to deal with whatever problem they come across in a single day.

In theory.
In practice, a lot of reports of lack of fuel and other logistic problems surface.

One of the things about Russia - corruption there is not just a problem. It's part of the system where people with enormous fortunes and benefits are also completely dependent of their superiors who can always make a show process for your corruption if you get out of their favor.
It accumulates enormous power in hands of the few - but it makes things far worse-organized than they could have been in a more transparent system.


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