If God exist why are there ugly,stupid people.

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The judeo christian concept of god is BUNK! People do NOT start with the same chance of success, results aren't even consistant, let alone fair.

Take ME! I have started out with some really DUMB problems I had NOTHING to do with and didn't deserve. I was honest to a fault, nice, etc... and what good did it do? NOTHING!

And the idea of karma is stupid ALSO! If I have no attributes, or memory, of a past failed life, WHY should I be punished? ALSO, EVERY animal has its failings, so how is any an improvement.

Words of wisdom, wavefreak58. Without these standards we wouldn't know what beauty or ugliness is. There's a place for everything.

Reading this thread makes me feel proud of my appearance.

While it's true that adversity (and necessity) is the mother of invention, that's more a case of an evolutionary mechanism for creating robust communities - e.g. in solving some problem you learn some skill that helps you survive in other ways. E.g. you were hungry so sharpened a stick to make a spear to kill a boar - and now you can also use it to catch other things and fight enemies. Now you can reproduce and have kids that can also learn stuff like you did (because that ability is encoded in your genes). The idea of sentient gods throwing problems at people is surplus to explaining the phenomenon.

locster

Explaining something does not necessarily explain away the question of why there is something rather than nothing.

The rules governing how genes combine are well documented and understood. It's a process called crossover, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_crossover

There's no magic and it sometimes does go wrong - hence embryos that are what we call 'non-viable', or what most people will know as being a miscarriage.

locster

Indeed. But those are two entirely different discussions. That something exists and works in a certain way is just how it is. Why it came to existence is a different question.

locster.

How do we know conventional attractiveness is the sort of reward God would hand out anyway? Sounds incredibly superficial. Personally I'm (at least I've been told as I can't tell the difference) conventionally ugly and I don't see why it's considered so horrible.

Plus I actually find a lot of supposedly ugly people aesthetically appealing. Not sure why it works out that way.

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What I'm saying is that even though I may not fit the popular opinion of what the majority of people would consider as being beautiful in the 21st Century, I see myself as a beautiful person, in my own eyes.

Humans have a wide definition for attractiveness, anyway. You can tell by the many breeds of dogs they created. Some of them are considered ugly, like the Olde English Bulldog and the Hairless Chinese Crested, yet humans have been making these breeds possible for centuries, so they must not hate ugliness that much. Olde English Bulldogs and French Bulldogs are considered ugly by conventional standards yet people will pay thousands of dollars for a good one. More than the amount paid for symmetrical, attractive breeds.

That's the best kind [of beauty].

If you there is a god, a haven and this life is a test, you could argue that the good looking and smart are disadvantaged because they are more tempted by their ability to control and manipulate people, and all manner of sin that are easily available to them.

if they give in they are damned to terrible torment, infinitely longer than anything you can experience here.

I volunteered at a school in a third world country, 6 months, teaching math. Some of those kids had to struggle daily to get sufficient food, some where beaten and neglected as kids. In between it though, they seemed so truly happy in a way that i have never known.

Not really, but then in my experience many of them are a lot less happy than we're making out in this discussion. Seriously.

locster

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I was just playing within the given framework of this conversation. I am agnostic.

Why don't you ask the guys in PPR, I bet they know the answer.

because not all students in earthschool are equally endowed [despite surface appearances], some need more time, until they can develop up to speed.