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12 Dec 2011, 11:31 am

We don't need gods, but we will always make idols.

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12 Dec 2011, 11:33 am

Are Buddhists cool with that result? 8)



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12 Dec 2011, 11:38 am

It will never be proved whether or not God exists, but I think the belief in God ins't necessary. God isn't necessary to believe in an afterlife, and I think that's what is more important to people. I don't think a completely atheist attitude over the majority of the world is healthy.



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12 Dec 2011, 12:47 pm

snapcap wrote:
It will never be proved whether or not God exists, but I think the belief in God ins't necessary. God isn't necessary to believe in an afterlife, and I think that's what is more important to people. I don't think a completely atheist attitude over the majority of the world is healthy.

Both science and theism/atheist status have something in common - they can detail 'what' but not 'what to do with it'. I think we'd both agree that whether theistic or atheistic, caustic, activist, and nonempathetic outlooks are antisocial and are problematic. Aimilarly its one of those things where the truth will win in the end when falsehoods can't really compete in market of ideas.

I wholeheartedly agree with most of what you said but I just wanted to make that distinction. :)


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12 Dec 2011, 12:55 pm

the fact that people don't need gods is proved by the fact of millions of people living with none. unless you are of the belief that without a creator god we wouldn't be here, which opens a whole can of worms on such a forum as this.


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12 Dec 2011, 2:38 pm

peebo wrote:
the fact that people don't need gods is proved by the fact of millions of people living with none. unless you are of the belief that without a creator god we wouldn't be here, which opens a whole can of worms on such a forum as this.


They still have gods, they just go by other names.



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12 Dec 2011, 2:48 pm

Some people it seems do need to have the idea of a god watching over them. It can be said that its an immature or undeveloped adulthood way of taking responsibility. Because we all were children once, we went through many years, which were our first years in life, having parents or gardians who looked afer us. As children, they were our "gods". So it could be that as adults they have not outgrown this phase of life and so attach themselves to a supernatural god. That is why religons work.

So even if science somehow proved there was no god, which is impossible to disprove the existence of something. They would still need it unless there is therapy to make them accept that they are no longer children and don't need looking after (in a non practical sense).



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12 Dec 2011, 2:51 pm

Actually at some point I decided the idea of a God watching me and judging me was downright creepy. 8O



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12 Dec 2011, 3:16 pm

fraac wrote:
peebo wrote:
the fact that people don't need gods is proved by the fact of millions of people living with none. unless you are of the belief that without a creator god we wouldn't be here, which opens a whole can of worms on such a forum as this.


They still have gods, they just go by other names.

No, they have idols. There's a difference.


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12 Dec 2011, 3:32 pm

Lecks wrote:
fraac wrote:
peebo wrote:
the fact that people don't need gods is proved by the fact of millions of people living with none. unless you are of the belief that without a creator god we wouldn't be here, which opens a whole can of worms on such a forum as this.


They still have gods, they just go by other names.

No, they have idols. There's a difference.


I'm not talking about idols. I'm talking about whatever they fill 'god' roles with in their psyche. Most use delusions or rigid beliefs, I used drugs and only trusted drug addicts.



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12 Dec 2011, 4:41 pm

speaking from a purely personal basis, i don't consider myself to have either gods or idols.


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12 Dec 2011, 5:18 pm

VIDEODROME wrote:
Are Buddhists cool with that result? 8)

to my knowledge buddhists don't have a god. the worship a real life person who believed he found enlightenment.



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12 Dec 2011, 5:19 pm

fraac wrote:
Lecks wrote:
fraac wrote:
peebo wrote:
the fact that people don't need gods is proved by the fact of millions of people living with none. unless you are of the belief that without a creator god we wouldn't be here, which opens a whole can of worms on such a forum as this.


They still have gods, they just go by other names.

No, they have idols. There's a difference.


I'm not talking about idols. I'm talking about whatever they fill 'god' roles with in their psyche. Most use delusions or rigid beliefs, I used drugs and only trusted drug addicts.


you're talking 100% pure BS.

to me the lack of faith is the freedom of mind from the god "figure/concept"


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12 Dec 2011, 5:31 pm

If you think you've avoided gods by ignoring ancient religions you're kidding yourself.



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12 Dec 2011, 5:35 pm

fraac wrote:
If you think you've avoided gods by ignoring ancient religions you're kidding yourself.


actually i enjoy religion,

i simply take it for what i see it as,
ancient expressions of an ancient belief and nothing more, as for ancient aliens, proof please.


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12 Dec 2011, 5:35 pm

fraac wrote:
If you think you've avoided gods by ignoring ancient religions you're kidding yourself.

how so? if you don't look for a god then how is that kidding yourself?