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30 Jan 2012, 9:35 pm

I think "passing judgement" upon people at first glance is something that we all do. It's clinging to that initial judgement that is wrong.



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30 Jan 2012, 9:57 pm

Metalwolf wrote:
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Judging people ahead of time on the basis of their external is just stupid. If people are removed from their skin, then they die equally. :twisted: (And good grief, no, I'm not actually suggesting any such thing ever be done.)

Seriously though, it is stupid when people talk about "all white people this" "gavatchos that" and talking so much nonsense whether in terms of the racism of the 1960's continually portrayed upon stereotypes of characters from the south eastern United States or in the current socially acceptable forms of racism against the "majority". Every bit of it is stupid nonsense.
I agree. And a lot of these studies' results can be skewed and read the wrong way if there is an already existing political bias. :?

Statistics are always read in the light of whatever motives politicians currently are moved by.



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31 Jan 2012, 1:10 pm

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31 Jan 2012, 2:22 pm

I can see how someone could be considered stupid if their racism was taught, but what if the racism was the result of personal experiences?


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31 Jan 2012, 2:34 pm

snapcap wrote:
I can see how someone could be considered stupid if their racism was taught, but what if the racism was the result of personal experiences?


It would be the same as drawing conclusions based on the superficial, except without the formatting of statistical perniciousness. It's still wrong on principle alone, even if it is based on real experiences with people who happen to be red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, black, brown, grey, turquoise, white, or whatever else. Color codes are only good for judging resistors, capacitors, and inductors, but not people.



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31 Jan 2012, 2:48 pm

It makes sense - what people can't understand they tend to avoid for the sake of falling face first into a known risk. The dumb would likely often need more protective/negative generalization to get by.

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I can see how someone could be considered stupid if their racism was taught, but what if the racism was the result of personal experiences?

I get the impression they're simply stating that it plays a big role, not that it applies to all sources of racism.


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31 Jan 2012, 5:13 pm

I think elementary school is the source of most people's racist thoughts.


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31 Jan 2012, 5:18 pm

On the side I get the impression that the 'You're racist whether you know it or not' preachings probably aren't helping things either.


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31 Jan 2012, 5:18 pm

snapcap wrote:
I think elementary school is the source of most people's racist thoughts.

i don't see how that would specifically be the case. do you have some kind of source for that idea?


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31 Jan 2012, 5:41 pm

i remember reading recently that exposure to faces of many ethnicities during infancy can assist a person with differentiating between faces of each ethnicity as they get older. it is called the "Other Race Effect".

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-05-i ... -race.html

i believe this phenomenon may play a role in racism, as people who cannot differentiate between ethnicites that look "different" will be more racist against them due to the "In-Group Advantage". it makes sense because if a person cannot recognise the faces (and apparently emotions) of the "Out-Group", then the person may depersonalise and generalise about that group.


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31 Jan 2012, 6:24 pm

snapcap wrote:
I think elementary school is the source of most people's racist thoughts.


How so? From the teachers, the other students? Or both?
I personally see racism as coming from the family and social peer groups.

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31 Jan 2012, 8:03 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
On the side I get the impression that the 'You're racist whether you know it or not' preachings probably aren't helping things either.


Yeah, those get annoying fast.



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31 Jan 2012, 8:07 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yeah, those get annoying fast.


They're also extremely counter-productive.



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31 Jan 2012, 8:08 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
On the side I get the impression that the 'You're racist whether you know it or not' preachings probably aren't helping things either.


Yeah, those get annoying fast.
what do people mean by that?


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31 Jan 2012, 8:25 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
On the side I get the impression that the 'You're racist whether you know it or not' preachings probably aren't helping things either.


Yeah, those get annoying fast.
what do people mean by that?


They mean to say that everyone thinks in racist terms anyway, which is false as far as I'm concerned, as a further justification for their own racism. It's more often used by comedians like Carlos Mencia, but I've heard coworkers in food service, retail, and warehouse jobs express essentially the same sentiment about how they think everyone's racist and thus since "everyone else is" they feel justified in being racist themselves.



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31 Jan 2012, 8:27 pm

Tequila wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yeah, those get annoying fast.


They're also extremely counter-productive.


No kidding, they're basically serving to keep the crap burning rather than putting it out.