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18 Dec 2015, 10:17 pm

I am a feminist. I am against discriminating against females. I believe an individual should be judged by his or her character regardless of sex. This ideal has not yet been reached. Women are still discriminated against. An example is unequal pay. Until discrimination against women goes away, there is still a place for the feminist movement. I am hate feminazis. Feminism should not equal misandry.



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19 Dec 2015, 3:28 am

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To the people who think they hate feminism, so called priviledged ladies have a fullfilled Sexuality & safe Intimacy now by having Contraception, Abortion, Equality with men at work, they are no longer 'kept' but can stand alone, and can even drink in the same venues as men ... and so many other RIGHTS, this is only the result of the feminists fights from the past.

By its militancy getting RIGHTS has really changed POSITIVELY the life of the women, including those who shamelessly spit on Feminists as it is the fashion to do so, since the 90's.

It makes me so sad, embarrassed and humiliated that our own mothers have to keep fighting for us because we dropped the f******g ball.

I consider myself equal to men, but the battles of the women in the past would not have been won had they been fighting for equal. Feminizim is not a dirty word.

Nor do I quote. "hate girls who win arguments by sheer power and obstinance, demand special treatment or whatnot, those discusting creatures should understand that the world doesn't owe them a living because of their gender" All things being EQUAL, I would dislike that trait in anybody, not just girls :(



And now that you have won those RIGHTS, what's with all this militancy? Clearly equality isn't good enough....you want more. You want men to think you're "speshul" just because you're a woman. Feminism really went off the deep end in the late 60s and into their early 70s.

But now it's back and what are modern feminists fighting for? What battles are there to be won? According to this article it has turned into a pissing contest with iFeminists using social media to jockey for status!

The fact that feminism has done some good for this world does not imply that it's *all good*. It is no longer a civil rights movement but an ideology. It is not above scrutiny and questioning.



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19 Dec 2015, 5:42 am

They are just sexists against men and have no mental capacity to reason with and are unable to understand logic, they are stupid worthless people who are against equality, they are the next Darwin Award incoming.


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19 Dec 2015, 7:34 am

I have no issue with Feminism, or any other 'ism' until it infringes on the rights of other due to the 'ism' believers' start to believe that their 'ism' makes them better than inherantly anybody else.


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19 Dec 2015, 8:24 am

Equality under law is not enough. Society can still have great social injustices in the mist of equal rights. I know many here probably don't care about social injustices.

I'm just saying equal rights don't vaporize social oppression.



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19 Dec 2015, 8:53 am

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Equality under law is not enough. Society can still have great social injustices in the mist of equal rights. I know many here probably don't care about social injustices.

I'm just saying equal rights don't vaporize social oppression.


Social equality is not enough, these ultrafeminists want outright matriarchy. I do recognize that there are feminists who just want equality but lately the feminist fringe has started rearing its ugly head thanks to social media. Radical ideologies are very much an aggressive social climbing strategy.


But all this white knight talk doesn't acknowledge the fact that the majority of American women are not all that unhappy with the way things are for them these days! Most of the major battles for womens rights in the West have been won. And this is the reason feminism has fragmented into competing schools of thought why there's such a debate among them about what feminism truly is and what it stands for.

The pay gap is still a major issue but interestingly enough, the unemployment rate for women is lower than it is for men and millions of women support themselves without a man.



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19 Dec 2015, 4:01 pm

AR1500 wrote:
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Equality under law is not enough. Society can still have great social injustices in the mist of equal rights. I know many here probably don't care about social injustices.

I'm just saying equal rights don't vaporize social oppression.


Social equality is not enough, these ultrafeminists want outright matriarchy. I do recognize that there are feminists who just want equality but lately the feminist fringe has started rearing its ugly head thanks to social media. Radical ideologies are very much an aggressive social climbing strategy.


But all this white knight talk doesn't acknowledge the fact that the majority of American women are not all that unhappy with the way things are for them these days! Most of the major battles for womens rights in the West have been won. And this is the reason feminism has fragmented into competing schools of thought why there's such a debate among them about what feminism truly is and what it stands for.

The pay gap is still a major issue but interestingly enough, the unemployment rate for women is lower than it is for men and millions of women support themselves without a man.


Actually, looks like the UN is telling us lately that American women don't have it so great, after all: Report from UN Working Group: Being a Woman in America Is Bad



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19 Dec 2015, 5:31 pm

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AR1500 wrote:
RushKing wrote:
Equality under law is not enough. Society can still have great social injustices in the mist of equal rights. I know many here probably don't care about social injustices.

I'm just saying equal rights don't vaporize social oppression.


Social equality is not enough, these ultrafeminists want outright matriarchy. I do recognize that there are feminists who just want equality but lately the feminist fringe has started rearing its ugly head thanks to social media. Radical ideologies are very much an aggressive social climbing strategy.


But all this white knight talk doesn't acknowledge the fact that the majority of American women are not all that unhappy with the way things are for them these days! Most of the major battles for womens rights in the West have been won. And this is the reason feminism has fragmented into competing schools of thought why there's such a debate among them about what feminism truly is and what it stands for.

The pay gap is still a major issue but interestingly enough, the unemployment rate for women is lower than it is for men and millions of women support themselves without a man.


Actually, looks like the UN is telling us lately that American women don't have it so great, after all: Report from UN Working Group: Being a Woman in America Is Bad




Native American and Afro-American women definitely DO NOT have it good whatsoever! But that has more to do with their ethnicity than simply their gender. There are disproportionately more black MEN in prison than black women. Police brutality has overwhelmingly been directed at men but recently the cops are being as tough on women as they have been on men for decades now.


One very peculiar thing about gender inequality is how it seems to reverse itself when it comes to certain marginalized minority groups like blacks, gays, and..............*drumroll*............autistics! The male members of those groups are far more despised than the female members. That's why anti-gay rhetoric and violent homophobia is directed at gay men and not gay women. The employment gap for black women vs black men is much larger than for white men and women. You see, the fact that men are more physically violent than women is why black men and men with mental disorders are treated worse: Because they are seen as THREATENING.
In this day and age, if you are seen as threatening, regardless of what you do or don't do, you will face active social exclusion and scapegoating.



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19 Dec 2015, 5:34 pm

I would not worry too much about a feminazi takeover. The people who get the most media attention are the nutjobs, anyway. Most feminists are not feminazi.



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19 Dec 2015, 7:51 pm

AR1500 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
AR1500 wrote:
RushKing wrote:
Equality under law is not enough. Society can still have great social injustices in the mist of equal rights. I know many here probably don't care about social injustices.

I'm just saying equal rights don't vaporize social oppression.


Social equality is not enough, these ultrafeminists want outright matriarchy. I do recognize that there are feminists who just want equality but lately the feminist fringe has started rearing its ugly head thanks to social media. Radical ideologies are very much an aggressive social climbing strategy.


But all this white knight talk doesn't acknowledge the fact that the majority of American women are not all that unhappy with the way things are for them these days! Most of the major battles for womens rights in the West have been won. And this is the reason feminism has fragmented into competing schools of thought why there's such a debate among them about what feminism truly is and what it stands for.

The pay gap is still a major issue but interestingly enough, the unemployment rate for women is lower than it is for men and millions of women support themselves without a man.


Actually, looks like the UN is telling us lately that American women don't have it so great, after all: Report from UN Working Group: Being a Woman in America Is Bad




Native American and Afro-American women definitely DO NOT have it good whatsoever! But that has more to do with their ethnicity than simply their gender. There are disproportionately more black MEN in prison than black women. Police brutality has overwhelmingly been directed at men but recently the cops are being as tough on women as they have been on men for decades now.


One very peculiar thing about gender inequality is how it seems to reverse itself when it comes to certain marginalized minority groups like blacks, gays, and..............*drumroll*............autistics! The male members of those groups are far more despised than the female members. That's why anti-gay rhetoric and violent homophobia is directed at gay men and not gay women. The employment gap for black women vs black men is much larger than for white men and women. You see, the fact that men are more physically violent than women is why black men and men with mental disorders are treated worse: Because they are seen as THREATENING.
In this day and age, if you are seen as threatening, regardless of what you do or don't do, you will face active social exclusion and scapegoating.


Um, can you cite sources to illuminate us on how autistic men are more hated or discriminated against than autistic women?



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19 Dec 2015, 7:53 pm

AR1500 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
AR1500 wrote:
RushKing wrote:
Equality under law is not enough. Society can still have great social injustices in the mist of equal rights. I know many here probably don't care about social injustices.

I'm just saying equal rights don't vaporize social oppression.


Social equality is not enough, these ultrafeminists want outright matriarchy. I do recognize that there are feminists who just want equality but lately the feminist fringe has started rearing its ugly head thanks to social media. Radical ideologies are very much an aggressive social climbing strategy.


But all this white knight talk doesn't acknowledge the fact that the majority of American women are not all that unhappy with the way things are for them these days! Most of the major battles for womens rights in the West have been won. And this is the reason feminism has fragmented into competing schools of thought why there's such a debate among them about what feminism truly is and what it stands for.

The pay gap is still a major issue but interestingly enough, the unemployment rate for women is lower than it is for men and millions of women support themselves without a man.


Actually, looks like the UN is telling us lately that American women don't have it so great, after all: Report from UN Working Group: Being a Woman in America Is Bad




Native American and Afro-American women definitely DO NOT have it good whatsoever! But that has more to do with their ethnicity than simply their gender. There are disproportionately more black MEN in prison than black women. Police brutality has overwhelmingly been directed at men but recently the cops are being as tough on women as they have been on men for decades now.


One very peculiar thing about gender inequality is how it seems to reverse itself when it comes to certain marginalized minority groups like blacks, gays, and..............*drumroll*............autistics! The male members of those groups are far more despised than the female members. That's why anti-gay rhetoric and violent homophobia is directed at gay men and not gay women. The employment gap for black women vs black men is much larger than for white men and women. You see, the fact that men are more physically violent than women is why black men and men with mental disorders are treated worse: Because they are seen as THREATENING.
In this day and age, if you are seen as threatening, regardless of what you do or don't do, you will face active social exclusion and scapegoating.


And are you seriously trying to claim that lesbians don't experience homophobia and discrimination and harassment like gay men do? Seriously?



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19 Dec 2015, 9:02 pm

Sensible people are in short supply. That is the problem.

Its really about not understanding how rights work.

The principle of rights is one person's right cannot impede another. Often privileges are falsely billed a rights. Demanding special treatment because a group is may be considered underprivileged harms everybody's rights. You can't fight inequity with inequity.

Many of these people are well meaning, but simply have the wrong approach or ideology. Other people have an axe to grind.

Also there is a wrong assumption that becuase they may be discriminated against those that they consider responsible can't also be oppressed.

I'm a afraid to say the feminism, has been hijacked by a poisonous ideology obsessed with divisive identity politics. It is a stain on the whole civil rights movement.

Other forms of feminism have been a bit drowned out. The problem is most acute in universities, where some of these feminists groups are teaching a curriculum (sometimes compulsory credits), which is not based on factual evidence, with little room for debate.

I think many people aren't really aware of what is going on right now. I was surprised that such extremists weren't on the fringes as I'd thought, but actually on the forefront at least in the US. These people are influential, they can affect government policy and I don't believe they represent most women's view of feminism. Most women I would expect would be equity/freedom/choice feminist. They might not use those labels but something along those lines. This is some other animal altogether, it is not really about equity, freedom or choice on the contrary.

I also think it is undermining not helping women's rights movements in developing countries, and is it quite attention hungry over trivial problems in comparison and talking about issue hardly relevant to these people's lives.

My disappointment with the other side is it can descend into a resentment fest. I think that relationships woes or presumed loss of masculinity is rather here nor there. That is there own identity and choice in the end. The real ideological battle is about the principle or rights, protecting those.

I find if ironic that when men's advocates are given some limelight in the media, they tend show more extreme groups rather than sensible people. Yet people are less aware the extreme side of the feminist movement and its influence. They might see some of the personalities but they don't show the all crap they have come up with and the consequences of that. Yet the side which is most influential at the moment is a women's moment. I don't want any extremist group to be influential tbh.



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19 Dec 2015, 9:21 pm

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And are you seriously trying to claim that lesbians don't experience homophobia and discrimination and harassment like gay men do? Seriously?


I read AR1500 post several times I fail to see where you got that the impression AR1500 was saying that. Is there some other post I'm missing?

It was much more to do with the fallacy of conflating different forms of discrimination and making assumption based on that, than saying a group can't experience it. I mean if someone says that any group or person can't experience discrimination they are foolish. However the only groups i have heard claiming something to that effect are some feminists.

This is one of the criticisms leveled at them: They can be quite happy to combine different rights issue when it suits, but in other cases they insist is a diametrically opposed mutually exclusive group of people who are unoppressed due to their privilege. This is conspiratorial rather than a realistic outlook on life. What's more it solves nothing.



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19 Dec 2015, 11:18 pm

Well, I hate it when people conflate wanting equality for women (which has not been achieved anywhere on this planet) with a repressive regime that started the bloodiest war in human history and committed genocide on a massive scale.


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Well, I hate it when people conflate wanting equality for women (which has not been achieved anywhere on this planet) with a repressive regime that started the bloodiest war in human history and committed genocide on a massive scale.


Unfortunately, you will see a good amount of exactly that around these parts. Didn't you know that all women have it out for autistic men--even autistic women! Because misandry, or something.



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Well, I hate it when people conflate wanting equality for women (which has not been achieved anywhere on this planet) with a repressive regime that started the bloodiest war in human history and committed genocide on a massive scale.


Unfortunately, you will see a good amount of exactly that around these parts. Didn't you know that all women have it out for autistic men--even autistic women! Because misandry, or something.


Some people on the spectrum have trouble with sarcasm. I don't, and right now I wish I had some way to send a high five through the internet.


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