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18 Feb 2016, 9:56 pm

citizen's united by itself was bad enough. that is just one of many destructive rulings of his. he was one man who did incalculable damage with the stroke of a pen.



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19 Feb 2016, 7:32 pm

People seem to forget that Scalia had a number of quite liberal opinions, including ruling to protect flag burning as free speech, resuscitating the right to confront an accuser in a criminal case, preventing the police from using infrared equipment to search your house without a warrant, and numerous other important right, among others.


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19 Feb 2016, 9:30 pm

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People seem to forget that Scalia had a number of quite liberal opinions, including ruling to protect flag burning as free speech, resuscitating the right to confront an accuser in a criminal case, preventing the police from using infrared equipment to search your house without a warrant, and numerous other important right, among others.
Isn't keeping government out of people's lives a conservative value?
w/r/t the flagburning, from reading the opinion it's inferred they were concerned about making Johnson a proverbial martyr.

"Texas claims that its interest in preventing breaches of the peace justifies Johnson's conviction for flag desecration. 4 [491 U.S. 397, 408] However, no disturbance of the peace actually occurred or threatened to occur because of Johnson's burning of the flag. Although the State stresses the disruptive behavior of the protestors during their march toward City Hall, Brief for Petitioner 34-36, it admits that "no actual breach of the peace occurred at the time of the flagburning or in response to the flagburning." Id., at 34. The State's emphasis on the protestors' disorderly actions prior to arriving at City Hall is not only somewhat surprising given that no charges were brought on the basis of this conduct, but it also fails to show that a disturbance of the peace was a likely reaction to Johnson's conduct. The only evidence offered by the State at trial to show the reaction to Johnson's actions was the testimony of several persons who had been seriously offended by the flag burning. Id., at 6-7."



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19 Feb 2016, 9:35 pm

Scalia's a Reagan appointee. In the eyes of the left he may as well have been appointed by Hitler.


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19 Feb 2016, 9:40 pm

Howdy Mr. R.! Glad to see you back - missed ya! :wink:


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19 Feb 2016, 9:41 pm

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Scalia's a Reagan appointee. In the eyes of the left he may as well have been appointed by Hitler.

Well, as Prager's often said - just being conservative affirms the six-spice to an ideologue.


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19 Feb 2016, 9:44 pm

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Scalia's a Reagan appointee. In the eyes of the left he may as well have been appointed by Hitler.

Reagan was too weak and feeble to be Hitler. He could have played Roosevelt in a movie however, but in real life FDR probably would have kicked the s**t out of him (crippled people seem to have really strong arms). Hey remember that time Reagan went off about his experience in WWII, complete with dramatic retelling of explosions and crap?...then to find out it was just a movie and he didn't realize he never fought in a war. Yeah, I remember that, I was 6 and remember thinking the President is a complete joke. To think they actually forced 1st graders to listen to the President lie about war experience, almost sounds like something out of a slimy third world country, but no that was here in 1987.



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19 Feb 2016, 9:46 pm

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Howdy Mr. R.! Glad to see you back - missed ya! :wink:

I'm never too far away...


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19 Feb 2016, 9:51 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Scalia's a Reagan appointee. In the eyes of the left he may as well have been appointed by Hitler.

Reagan was too weak and feeble to be Hitler. He could have played Roosevelt in a movie however, but in real life FDR probably would have kicked the s**t out of him (crippled people seem to have really strong arms). Hey remember that time Reagan went off about his experience in WWII, complete with dramatic retelling of explosions and crap?...then to find out it was just a movie and he didn't realize he never fought in a war. Yeah, I remember that, I was 6 and remember thinking the President is a complete joke. To think they actually forced 1st graders to listen to the President lie about war experience, almost sounds like something out of a slimy third world country, but no that was here in 1987.

he may well have been suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's in 1987.



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19 Feb 2016, 9:59 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Scalia's a Reagan appointee. In the eyes of the left he may as well have been appointed by Hitler.

Reagan was too weak and feeble to be Hitler. He could have played Roosevelt in a movie however, but in real life FDR probably would have kicked the s**t out of him (crippled people seem to have really strong arms). Hey remember that time Reagan went off about his experience in WWII, complete with dramatic retelling of explosions and crap?...then to find out it was just a movie and he didn't realize he never fought in a war. Yeah, I remember that, I was 6 and remember thinking the President is a complete joke. To think they actually forced 1st graders to listen to the President lie about war experience, almost sounds like something out of a slimy third world country, but no that was here in 1987.

he may well have been suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's in 1987.


Yeah I'm pretty sure he was. I don't think he ever had malicious intent, I think he mostly believed what he said, but it's problematic when you don't have full mental capability and you have access to the red button. A decade or so ago when it was released he had Alzheimer's (what's with the German/Austrians laying claim to all the disease names, btw), I remember becoming really concerned with not who the president is, but the cabinet. Let's face it, Reagan obviously wasn't making all the decisions if he was suffering from Alzheimer's and truth be told we probably haven't had a president in 100 years that made all the decisions-- the job has just gotten too large and unwieldy for one person to oversee. This is problematic because the Cabinet, which is likely making many more decisions for the entire presidency than a century ago, is not elected, in fact you don't even know who's in it until you've already elected someone else for president.



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19 Feb 2016, 10:35 pm

personally I got a kick out of his line about trees causing pollution.
even more so when it appeared to be accurate, but probably not like he thought :D

http://www.livescience.com/34563-tree-pollution.html



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20 Feb 2016, 12:11 pm

It's pretty disrespectful that Obama won't even attend Scalia's funeral while at the same time demanding he be allowed to name his successor with no scrutiny whatsoever. Making it easy to 'just say no'.



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20 Feb 2016, 10:08 pm

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Isn't keeping government out of people's lives a conservative value?


Allegedly, unless drugs or national security are involved, then all bets are off. Sort of like how liberals are supposed to be the champions of civil liberties, until you disagree with them in their "safe spaces" or say something unkind about a minority.


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20 Feb 2016, 10:25 pm

Fugu wrote:
Isn't keeping government out of people's lives a conservative value?

Dox47 wrote:
Allegedly, unless drugs or national security are involved, then all bets are off. Sort of like how liberals are supposed to be the champions of civil liberties, until you disagree with them in their "safe spaces" or say something unkind about a minority.

These things aren't even politics really, virtually any group (institution, government, business, etc.) will do double talk: the power at the top does what it pleases and sells a crock of s**t to the marks at the bottom. Most everyday conservatives are very much for keeping the government out of peoples lives. Their leaders will tout that line, until those leaders see a personal or professional gain and then those principles go right out the window and they sell the marks on some other line of BS. Sometimes those two lines of BS conflict and coincide at the same time, such as the civil liberties issue during Bush's Patriot Act era. It's not just Republicans, Democrats are equally as disgusting in their double talk. Things like unions, worker's rights, and wage equality are major issues on the Democrats side, yet it was a Democratic president that ushered in the free trade era, smashing all those issues. That's the problem with representative politics: you don't actually have a say, you merely get to elect a proxy to vote for you. That proxy is almost assuredly not looking out for your interests as a voter, he's only going to do as little as he/she possibly can to make sure they don't lose your vote, but they will definitely fight hard for their own personal interests now that they hold power.



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21 Feb 2016, 12:25 am

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Most everyday conservatives are very much for keeping the government out of peoples lives. Their leaders will tout that line, until those leaders see a personal or professional gain and then those principles go right out the window and they sell the marks on some other line of BS.


You're mostly preaching to the choir here, but I'm not so sure that the doublethink is quite so confined to the leadership on either side, as I've met many a drug warrior conservative or illiberal liberal that doesn't have any real personal stake in their positions besides tribal loyalty. A lot of the time it feels like they haven't even thought that much about what they believe; I'm increasingly coming to think that those of us who do put some thought into things and try to avoid conflicting beliefs are the odd ones.


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21 Feb 2016, 10:34 am

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A lot of the time it feels like they haven't even thought that much about what they believe; I'm increasingly coming to think that those of us who do put some thought into things and try to avoid conflicting beliefs are the odd ones.

This. As far as I can tell the sociology involved in the sphere of public media is a mess and seems to align itself with demagogues in any which direction - perhaps because they're the ones who front the money. It really takes a person with the will, free-time, and willingness to sacrifice popularity for truth (or sometimes just not enough popularity to be effectively blackmailed by) to want to wade through it all and be consistent.


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