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25 Mar 2016, 11:36 am

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Doyle should be charged with harassment

I wouldn't say what he did was harassment - he didn't continue to bother her once she told him to get lost. I'd just say he's being a bit of an idiot.

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how would you like to be stopped in the street and asked to explain Rainman!!

I wouldn't call that harassment, as long as I wasn't being followed.

Islam is a deeply backward, ret*d culture and we would be better off without it. We would be best off with all religions relegated purely to the private sphere, but Islam is bent on conquering the world. It has been since the time of Muhammad and Abu Bakr.

That is the extremists who are bent on conquering the world, its not a belief that applies to every muslim. I mean this would be like if I said Christians are bent on turning this country to a religious theocracy....sure there are some christians and christian groups who don't understand seperation of state and religion but it would be wrong of me to imply all christians are calling for religious based legislation.

I don't like christianity, islam or judaism it doesn't mean I should stereotype an individual as being a fundamentalist or outright extremist if they happen to identify as being of one of those religions.

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25 Mar 2016, 11:43 am

There are extremist of every persuasion but the only one at war with Western Civilization and have been since the start of the religion has been Islam. Muhammad does not compare to Jesus, Jesus is all about love and forgiveness wandering around Galilee doing miracles helping the downtrodden for 30 years whereas Muhammed was conqueror who raided and pillaged his enemies. It is burying your head in the sand and pretending like there isn't a specific problem with Islam, it needs to change or go away because it can't stay the same. ISIS's Islam is closer to to original Islam than the people that try to say it's a religion of peace.

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25 Mar 2016, 11:51 am

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What he was saying wasn't even that bad, he was voicing an opinion. He wasn't calling for violence at all, just voicing his disapproval of Islam.

It reminds me about here in Canada if you criticize Islam you can be arrested, but being critical of other religions does not net you any punishment. Double standards, eh?

Could I please see some citation that criticism of Islam is a crime in Canada? If that is true it sure is a double standard but somehow I doubt such a law actually exists in Canada.

Also he wasn't calling for violence, but it wasn't just voicing disapproval of Islam...it was making an assumption muslims are all involved in terrorism. If you don't think that's so bad fine but that's not the same as simply voicing disapproval about the religion.

Canada has something called their Human Rights Commission that essentially is some tribunal that they prosecute people for speech with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_ ... ss.2C_2008

I remember a couple years ago they fined some comedian a ton of money for offending a lesbian couple that were heckling him in Vancouver I think a couple years ago.

America is one of the few places in the world with freedom of speech

I do not see any mention of it being illegal to criticize Islam in that link....though it does say the bit of this act that was causing controversy was appealed way back in 2013. Also based on a little more reading they do have freedom of speech there based on their bill of rights.

Also though some people misunderstand freedom of speech....it doesn't mean no limits on any kind of speech ever, like some people seem to think.

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25 Mar 2016, 11:53 am

yes, freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell fire in a crowded theater but hurt feelings is not reason to restrict speech

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25 Mar 2016, 12:10 pm

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Umm, you do realize the 'western world' wasn't really a thing when the Islam religion was started correct? That has been a much more recent concept. Also if you were more world aware you'd know there are plenty of muslims who question parts of the beliefs and don't follow everything, sort of like there's all kinds of Christians and forms of Christianity that vary in what parts the follow and what they disregard. I also have been hearing about various movements for womens right in the middle east and women gaining more equal rights, those women haven't all renounced Islam they are still muslims.

Also I think there is a specific problem with all monotheistic religions, I just don't think all of the people in them are 'the problem'. But yeah there is a lot about conquering and Gods terrible wrath in the Bible and plenty of verses that if applied in legal policy would make for some pretty screwed up stuff, we'd have rape victims having to marry their rapists. I haven't read the Quaran so I honestly don't know what it says or that its any worse than the bible...I think I'll have to check it out myself and see.

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25 Mar 2016, 12:14 pm

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yes, freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell fire in a crowded theater but hurt feelings is not reason to restrict speech

Where did I or anyone else imply that hurt feelings are the reason to restrict free speech?

Granted one can get legal trouble for verbally harassing someone. But yeah, the'd have a very hard time trying to prevent any speech that could hurt feelings....I mean just think of how often people accidentally hurt each others feelings.

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25 Mar 2016, 1:45 pm

Jacoby wrote:

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The Canadian Human Rights Commission free speech controversy refers to debates that arose in relation to the interpretation and application of a now-repealed section of the Canadian Human Rights Act[1] by the Canadian Human Rights Commission. Section 13(1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act was repealed in 2013; a number of the most-high-profile actions taken under authority of the section occurred in the period just prior to its repeal, and were responsible for the backlash that led to its repeal.

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25 Mar 2016, 9:36 pm

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I wouldn't say what he did was harassment - he didn't continue to bother her once she told him to get lost. I'd just say he's being a bit of an idiot.

probably and I'm not saying the woman didn't overreact due to past confrontations from other people, for her this was the straw that broke the camel's back. The problem here is we don't really know what his intention was? he is a celebrity agent and his line of work means he should he really know better

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Islam is a deeply backward, ret*d culture and we would be better off without it. We would be best off with all religions relegated purely to the private sphere, but Islam is bent on conquering the world. It has been since the time of Muhammad and Abu Bakr.

That's a separate matter and simply solved by western governments choosing not to use taxpayer money to subisidise places of worship and religious schools. Given all western countries are education/development orientated I would also like to see somewhere in their respective constitutions that where belief in a mythical untested deity is used to socially contrast or benefit believers from their fellow citizens then that is a form of discrimination. In our last census the former deputy prime minister warned young people that any person who declares they follow the "Jedi" religion would be fined. This is quite ludicrous given belief in an old bearded man in the sky is considered acceptable because enough people follow aforementioned old man in the sky?

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26 Mar 2016, 12:39 pm

Jacoby wrote:

yes, freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell fire in a crowded theater but hurt feelings is not reason to restrict speech

Not true. See Brandenburg vs Ohio wherein the Supreme Court found that the state "cannot constitutionally punish abstract advocacy of force or law violation".

Shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre is constitutionally protected speech, as long as there is no intent to incite unlawful behaviour (and good luck proving so if there is).

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26 Mar 2016, 12:47 pm

Very true. The mythology of the U.S. Supreme Court outstrips the reality.

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27 Mar 2016, 6:11 am

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Has been arrested at Croydon home on suspicion of inciting racial hatred.

Suspicion of? :roll:

What's next, arrested on suspicion of hurting someone's little feelings?

Another reason to be grateful (for now) that I live in the USA.

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27 Mar 2016, 6:49 am

They dropped the charges.

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27 Mar 2016, 6:58 am

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They dropped the charges.

Probably becuase CPS were still reeling from previous mistakes of trial by twitter.

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27 Mar 2016, 7:10 am

0_equals_true wrote:

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They dropped the charges.

Probably becuase CPS were still reeling from previous mistakes of trial by twitter.

That's the problem with the police: they are ignoring serious incitement to violence, instead going after people that are just a bit offensive.

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27 Mar 2016, 10:42 am

I think people who follow a belief system that advocates violence on the streets of Europe and elsewhere should be made to face up to their beliefs and answer for them. Perhaps it's time people considered exactly what it is they've signed up for by being a muslim.

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27 Mar 2016, 10:51 am

adifferentname wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

yes, freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell fire in a crowded theater but hurt feelings is not reason to restrict speech

Which means there had better be a fire.

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