Dear Democrats: Take back your party while you still can.
"Mob rule" is underrated.
The majority were for slavery? Why did they vote for Lincoln then?
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Sanders proposed:
-a 2.2% health care tax on workers
-a 6.2% health care tax on employers
-a 0.2% "family leave" tax on workers
So, 8.6% new taxes on workers.
For which they would get much more back in healthcare and family leave coverage. Sounds like a pretty cool thing to me. How else was he expected to pay for all those benefits?
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The majority were for slavery? Why did they vote for Lincoln then?
Lincoln didn't run in abolishing slaverly. And he won because the democrats votes were split between two democrat candidates. He didn't even abolish it til after the war. His proclamation only freeed slaves in union occupied territories, not those in confederate lands. It was incentive to get the sout to surrender sooner or they'd lose more and more slaves longer the war went. The union army treated slaves horribly. They saw their union troops are sub human. Many in the north were against arming blacks and didn't even let them fight . Watch the 54th mass movie. The north profited heavily off slave labor, so they could buy cheap cotton and sell high to England and make profits. The north was the industry of the nation, they had no need for slaves so had nothing to lose by making it illegal but many in the north were fine with slaverly.
People like to paint the north as a wonderful anti slaverly states, but that simply wasn't true. Blacks were treated little better in the north but still treated like sub humans. Sure as time went by they got better faster then the south. But even in north states they still had segregation in some states and cities. The mis treatment of blacks was a nation wide thing, it was just better in the north.
Seceding was an emotional over reaction by democrats much like they still do today. Nothing would have changed with Lincoln as president except the congress decision to not add anymore slave states as we expanded west, where slaves weren't used much anyways,. Slaverly would have ended in 20-40 years due to industrialization and economic reasons. So if anything should thank the south for being slaverly to and end much faster.
Mob rule is the popular kids in high school bullying you. So no mob rule is horrible.
High school is a prime example of mob rule. There's very little protection for the bullied.
Mob rule is i rational. They'd get rallied up and hang an innocent and never care.
Hangings were mob rule, and their illegal.
So sorry I want protection from the majority. To bad the minority didn't have protection in society Russia or nazi Germany, instead they died at the hands of the majority.
I've meet lots of democrats who oppose welfare and see disabled as faking and thieves, its. It just republicans.
You may believe yourself to be part of the majority now so who cares if they trample or kill off the minority you dislike, but you won't always be and one day your be that minority being trampled or killed.
The left didn't care about all the illegal powers being given to obama or the left congress, now those same powers are in trumps hand and the republican congress. The left should have fought to stop obama from taking those powers but hey he's our guy so who cares. We told you you won't always have your guy in office, but you shrugged of off and now here we are. The majority opinion today won't always be the majority opinion. And it's a slight majority so really it's half the nation forcing their ideas on the other half, and that is how civil wars happen.
I still think that you chaps are being too harsh towards the normies.
School bullying is the mob? Well ... not exactly. Most kids hate bullying. They just don't know how common it is.
People supported slavery back in the olden days, but most people accept that it is wrong nowadays. Social progress is ongoing. Have more faith in Average Joe mate!
We don't need a small group of elites to protect the minorities. In practice, elites only protect one minority: themselves.
Democracy is good. We just need a government that is actually democratic. Our government is democratic in name only. It is actually controlled by a small group of elites who own our natural resources. That's one of the biggest problems with our world. Most of the organizations that extract natural resources are private companies with no concern for the environment or the common folk. In my opinion, all of the organizations which extract resources (such as wood and minerals) from the natural world should be seized by the government. An organization that powerful needs to be put under democratic control for safety reasons.
Take the power back!
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Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre
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Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.
Greed is part of what is ruining the American dream, there are several companies who understaff and over work their employees in order to generate higher profits for their shareholders. Raising taxes on people who stand to benefit from such activity would remove the incentive to do so.
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Sanders proposed:
-a 2.2% health care tax on workers
-a 6.2% health care tax on employers
-a 0.2% "family leave" tax on workers
So, 8.6% new taxes on workers.
For which they would get much more back in healthcare and family leave coverage. Sounds like a pretty cool thing to me. How else was he expected to pay for all those benefits?
The poor already get free health care with Medicare and Obamacare-subsidies.
And Most workers and retirees have free health care through their employer (e.g., the union "Cadillac healthcare").
If Democrats truly want to appeal to working people, they need to ditch Sanders, and focus on Clinton who promised tax cuts for the poor and middle class.
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Sanders proposed:
-a 2.2% health care tax on workers
-a 6.2% health care tax on employers
-a 0.2% "family leave" tax on workers
So, 8.6% new taxes on workers.
For which they would get much more back in healthcare and family leave coverage. Sounds like a pretty cool thing to me. How else was he expected to pay for all those benefits?
The poor already get free health care with Medicare and Obamacare-subsidies.
And Most workers and retirees have free health care through their employer (e.g., the union "Cadillac healthcare").
If Democrats truly want to appeal to working people, they need to ditch Sanders, and focus on Clinton who promised tax cuts for the poor and middle class.
Far too many do not.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Sanders was very passionate about education and its costs which is a big deal for a lot of working people.
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School bullying is the mob? Well ... not exactly. Most kids hate bullying. They just don't know how common it is.
People supported slavery back in the olden days, but most people accept that it is wrong nowadays. Social progress is ongoing. Have more faith in Average Joe mate!
We don't need a small group of elites to protect the minorities. In practice, elites only protect one minority: themselves.
Democracy is good. We just need a government that is actually democratic. Our government is democratic in name only. It is actually controlled by a small group of elites who own our natural resources. That's one of the biggest problems with our world. Most of the organizations that extract natural resources are private companies with no concern for the environment or the common folk. In my opinion, all of the organizations which extract resources (such as wood and minerals) from the natural world should be seized by the government. An organization that powerful needs to be put under democratic control for safety reasons.
Take the power back!
Democratic nations don't seize property, dictatorships do. How'd you like your property seized?
You very clearly in favor of a democrat dictatorship. I'm not, I like my freedom. As a minority I like being protected from democrats who'd want to take my freedoms, rights and force me to do as they wish or spend rest of my life in a prison
Also you're fooling yourself if you don't think every freaking country in their world isn't control by the rich elites.theres no poor politicians. Every nation on this planet is rules by rich elites. From German and U.K. To china and Japan. We just get to choose which rich elit rules us . That's how it , how it's always been and how it always will be. Atleast now we have some choice, before they just passed it to their child and so on and so on.
Democratic nations can and do seize property. That's what taxation is.
"Democratic dictatorship" is a misanthropic oxymoron.
I doubt that a democratic government would seize my property. I frequently have friendly chit-chats with ordinary people such as Uber drivers. I've ultimately come to the conclusion that the average guy is a decent bloke. They are also surprisingly politically aware. I will sometimes tell them about Lockheed Martin and the war industry. They get it. They totally get it! We need direct democracy.
Yeah ... all existing countries are ruled by elites. This means that all countries require sweeping populist reform.
Populism works.
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"Democratic dictatorship" is a misanthropic oxymoron.
I doubt that a democratic government would seize my property. I frequently have friendly chit-chats with ordinary people such as Uber drivers. I've ultimately come to the conclusion that the average guy is a decent bloke. They are also surprisingly politically aware. I will sometimes tell them about Lockheed Martin and the war industry. They get it. They totally get it! We need direct democracy.
Yeah ... all existing countries are ruled by elites. This means that all countries require sweeping populist reform.
Populism works.
Government by populist direct control, or by elites, you still need taxation to make it work.
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Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.
Greed is part of what is ruining the American dream, there are several companies who understaff and over work their employees in order to generate higher profits for their shareholders. Raising taxes on people who stand to benefit from such activity would remove the incentive to do so.
In and of itself, raising taxes on the greedy companies would NOT have the effect you want. What would happen is that, to keep their current income despite taxes, they'd pay you less, cut bennies, raise prices, fire more and make fewer do the work of many, so that they could KEEP their same level of income.
Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.
Greed is part of what is ruining the American dream, there are several companies who understaff and over work their employees in order to generate higher profits for their shareholders. Raising taxes on people who stand to benefit from such activity would remove the incentive to do so.
In and of itself, raising taxes on the greedy companies would NOT have the effect you want. What would happen is that, to keep their current income despite taxes, they'd pay you less, cut bennies, raise prices, fire more and make fewer do the work of many, so that they could KEEP their same level of income.
Yeah ... the rich will have to jack up prices ... but that won't matter. The poor will have more money if they are receiving more handouts and paying less in taxes.
I've always hated this conservative mentality. "We need to protect the big businesses because they help the poor!" That's not their job. If the poor are suffering, the government should help them.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The government is only "bad at everything it does" because of corporate manipulation. We should not be nice to unaccountable corporate tyrannies and hope they help the poor. That's what the government is for.
Of course, the government will never be able to help the citizenry effectively unless it seizes the corporate overlords that once controlled it. This will require a massive populist uprising. It will be hard but still worth it.
Just keep telling average blokes about their true corporate overlords. I do that when I use Uber cabs. Eventually, the populist revolution will commence and all will be well.
Only then does human history truly begin.
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Synthetic carbo-polymers got em through man. They got em through mouse. They got through, and we're gonna get out.
-Roostre
READ THIS -> https://represent.us/
Some people might say "The rich create jobs." I think that the government should create jobs instead.
Greed is part of what is ruining the American dream, there are several companies who understaff and over work their employees in order to generate higher profits for their shareholders. Raising taxes on people who stand to benefit from such activity would remove the incentive to do so.
In and of itself, raising taxes on the greedy companies would NOT have the effect you want. What would happen is that, to keep their current income despite taxes, they'd pay you less, cut bennies, raise prices, fire more and make fewer do the work of many, so that they could KEEP their same level of income.
Corporate taxes are one thing, if anything, they're a bargaining chip the government can use to entice companies. But income taxes should be different. Top earning physicians typically earn less than $1 million a year, if the amount past that was progressively taxed at 50% and above, it would work against their incentive to overpay. Lowering their corporate taxes would give an incentive towards spending on corporate operations.
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