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22 Apr 2020, 2:14 pm

Not that I think there is an immediate threat of World War 3 right now, but I speculate that if it does happen someday, fake news or propaganda may play a role in starting it.



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22 Apr 2020, 9:10 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Not that I think there is an immediate threat of World War 3 right now, but I speculate that if it does happen someday, fake news or propaganda may play a role in starting it.


That didn't happen in WWI & WWII.
Errr. :scratch:



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23 Apr 2020, 1:01 am

People can choose to call this "fake news" or whatever, but today, World War 3 begins in the South China Sea:

https://m.youtube.com/results?search_qu ... 253D%253D#

The virus was just a smokescreen for Chinese island grabs very close to countries like the Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia, with the Chinese building military bases on all of those islands. The South China Sea is now full of warships ready to do battle with China on command over "disputed territories" which were never under "dispute" in the first place...enjoy the ride people.

At least this gives me something different to worry about than a bloody virus.



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23 Apr 2020, 2:14 pm

So Misunderstood wrote:
People can choose to call this "fake news" or whatever, but today, World War 3 begins in the South China Sea:

https://m.youtube.com/results?search_qu ... 253D%253D#

The virus was just a smokescreen for Chinese island grabs very close to countries like the Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia, with the Chinese building military bases on all of those islands. The South China Sea is now full of warships ready to do battle with China on command over "disputed territories" which were never under "dispute" in the first place...enjoy the ride people.

At least this gives me something different to worry about than a bloody virus.


Pray for peace...



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23 Apr 2020, 8:38 pm

first disable your opponents economy with infectious disease , then move against their allies to acquire stategic locations in proximity to there bases .
Somehow this seems reminisent of someone attempting to gain tactical advantage.?
Should be international laws regarding this stuff .


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23 Apr 2020, 9:05 pm

Jakki wrote:
first disable your opponents economy with infectious disease , then move against their allies to acquire stategic locations in proximity to there bases .
Somehow this seems reminisent of someone attempting to gain tactical advantage.?
Should be international laws regarding this stuff .


China is suffering also.
I think it more a case of exploitation/opportunism.



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23 Apr 2020, 10:39 pm

Jakki wrote:
first disable your opponents economy with infectious disease , then move against their allies to acquire stategic locations in proximity to their bases..
Somehow this seems reminisent of someone attempting to gain tactical advantage.?
Should be international laws regarding this stuff .

That is exactly what is happening here and there are also International laws against this stuff..thing is that China was never part of the international committee who made those laws and, as such, the Chinese say that those laws don't apply to them, then they drew up their own maps regarding what "belongs to China" and what does not "belong to China" including ALL of the South China Sea and also, all of Eastern Europe through their "One Belt, One Road" policy.

The government of the West has NO idea of how the Chinese military machine thinks....they have probably never played a game of "Go" or read The Art of War in their life...1. weaken enemy. 2. establish many remote outposts and colonies. 3. establish a few centres between them...4. draw lines between all of it (connect the dots) 5. make a net...drop it on an unsuspecting world and claim all underneath it as being theirs.....it's the oldest trick in the book...it is a shame many have forgotten about all the old tricks and now, we are all suffering because of it.



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24 Apr 2020, 12:33 am

So Misunderstood wrote:
Jakki wrote:
first disable your opponents economy with infectious disease , then move against their allies to acquire stategic locations in proximity to their bases..
Somehow this seems reminisent of someone attempting to gain tactical advantage.?
Should be international laws regarding this stuff .

That is exactly what is happening here and there are also International laws against this stuff..thing is that China was never part of the international committee who made those laws and, as such, the Chinese say that those laws don't apply to them, then they drew up their own maps regarding what "belongs to China" and what does not "belong to China" including ALL of the South China Sea and also, all of Eastern Europe through their "One Belt, One Road" policy.

The government of the West has NO idea of how the Chinese military machine thinks....they have probably never played a game of "Go" or read The Art of War in their life...1. weaken enemy. 2. establish many remote outposts and colonies. 3. establish a few centres between them...4. draw lines between all of it (connect the dots) 5. make a net...drop it on an unsuspecting world and claim all underneath it as being theirs.....it's the oldest trick in the book...it is a shame many have forgotten about all the old tricks and now, we are all suffering because of it.


Nazi china.
You would have thought the lesson was learnt. :roll:

Not my problem.
Hopefully, I will have died of old age before there is a major conflict.
Let your kids deal with the consequences of Chamberlain-ism. :mrgreen:



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24 Apr 2020, 12:41 am

Pepe wrote:
So Misunderstood wrote:
Jakki wrote:
first disable your opponents economy with infectious disease , then move against their allies to acquire stategic locations in proximity to their bases..
Somehow this seems reminisent of someone attempting to gain tactical advantage.?
Should be international laws regarding this stuff .

That is exactly what is happening here and there are also International laws against this stuff..thing is that China was never part of the international committee who made those laws and, as such, the Chinese say that those laws don't apply to them, then they drew up their own maps regarding what "belongs to China" and what does not "belong to China" including ALL of the South China Sea and also, all of Eastern Europe through their "One Belt, One Road" policy.

The government of the West has NO idea of how the Chinese military machine thinks....they have probably never played a game of "Go" or read The Art of War in their life...1. weaken enemy. 2. establish many remote outposts and colonies. 3. establish a few centres between them...4. draw lines between all of it (connect the dots) 5. make a net...drop it on an unsuspecting world and claim all underneath it as being theirs.....it's the oldest trick in the book...it is a shame many have forgotten about all the old tricks and now, we are all suffering because of it.


Nazi china.
You would have thought the lesson was learnt. :roll:

Not my problem.
Hopefully, I will have died of old age before there is a major conflict.
Let your kids deal with the consequences of Chamberlain-ism. :mrgreen:

Yeah, one just needs to see the land mass from Tibet (I have never forgotten) to the Kalimantan peninsula. My question always remains why the rest of the world has let them get away with such barbaric atrocities and human rights violations in peaceful countries just minding their own business for SO long now?

I hope that I don't live to see it either and I hoped for a long life..I don't care much about that anymore....as long as I die before I am forced to take the vaccine, that's good enough for me.



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24 Apr 2020, 4:50 am

^ Two principle reasons spring to mind:
• during the second phase of the Cold War the PRC was brought into the western network of alliances to prevent a unified communist bloc from emerging.
• The CPC has an arsenal of many thousands of nuclear warheads, and as such is too dangerous to be directly confronted by military means.



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24 Apr 2020, 5:07 am

Pepe wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Not that I think there is an immediate threat of World War 3 right now, but I speculate that if it does happen someday, fake news or propaganda may play a role in starting it.


That didn't happen in WWI & WWII.
Errr. :scratch:

I can never tell whether you are being serious or not, but the Nazis famously produced huge amounts of propaganda to first get themselves into power, and then feed the German appetite for war.



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24 Apr 2020, 5:37 am

one of these days china will step on its d!ck and overextend itself/lurch into a war for which it is not prepared, and get decimated to the tunes of 10s of millions of casualties.



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24 Apr 2020, 7:15 pm

Karamazov wrote:
^ Two principle reasons spring to mind:
• during the second phase of the Cold War the PRC was brought into the western network of alliances to prevent a unified communist bloc from emerging.
• The CPC has an arsenal of many thousands of nuclear warheads, and as such is too dangerous to be directly confronted by military means.


This will hopefully continue to hold as a deterrent for hypothetical future direct confrontations.



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24 Apr 2020, 10:57 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Two principle reasons spring to mind:
• during the second phase of the Cold War the PRC was brought into the western network of alliances to prevent a unified communist bloc from emerging.
• The CPC has an arsenal of many thousands of nuclear warheads, and as such is too dangerous to be directly confronted by military means.


This will hopefully continue to hold as a deterrent for hypothetical future direct confrontations.

do not want to go there in my darkest dsys, those are not good thoughts


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25 Apr 2020, 2:35 am

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Two principle reasons spring to mind:
• during the second phase of the Cold War the PRC was brought into the western network of alliances to prevent a unified communist bloc from emerging.
• The CPC has an arsenal of many thousands of nuclear warheads, and as such is too dangerous to be directly confronted by military means.


This will hopefully continue to hold as a deterrent for hypothetical future direct confrontations.

Yes, hopefully we will not see an escalation beyond actions such as the recurrent “test voyages” through the South China Sea: I believe there’s another one currently under way by US & Australia (at least, they set sail two(?) days ago).
Of course: an array of proxy wars is not “better” for the countries in which they occur, and the situation can be complicated beyond great power rivalry by the involvement of regional powers and second tier countries from outside the relevant region (cf: Yemen).



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25 Apr 2020, 3:07 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Not that I think there is an immediate threat of World War 3 right now, but I speculate that if it does happen someday, fake news or propaganda may play a role in starting it.


That didn't happen in WWI & WWII.
Errr. :scratch:

I can never tell whether you are being serious or not, but the Nazis famously produced huge amounts of propaganda to first get themselves into power, and then feed the German appetite for war.


I get that, some times.
I will have to get into the habit of using "<irony>".

Sometimes I think it so obvious that I am being ironic, that I don't bother.
But this is an autistic website, after all.
And most people aren't mind-readers, like me. :wink:

Hitler blamed Poland for attacking a German Radio station, etc, in/pre WWII.
I.E. A False Flag operation.

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The Gleiwitz incident (German: Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz; Polish: Prowokacja gliwicka) was a covert Nazi German attack on the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz on the night of 31 August 1939 (today Gliwice, Poland). The attack was a false flag operation, staged with some two dozen similar German incidents on the eve of the invasion of Poland leading up to World War II in Europe.[1] The attackers posed as Polish nationals. Adolf Hitler's armed forces invaded Poland the next morning after a lengthy period of preparations. During his declaration of war, Hitler did not mention the Gleiwitz incident but grouped all provocations staged by the SS as an alleged Polish assault on Germany. The Gleiwitz incident is the best-known action of Operation Himmler, a series of special operations undertaken by the Schutzstaffel (SS) to serve Nazi German propaganda at the outbreak of war. The operation was intended to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany to justify the invasion of Poland. Evidence for the Gleiwitz attack by the SS was provided by the German SS officer, Alfred Naujocks in 1945.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident



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When the U.S. Used 'Fake News' to Sell Americans on World War I
A committee created by Woodrow Wilson to promote U.S. involvement in World War I changed public opinion, but also led to vigilante violence. https://www.history.com/news/world-war- ... -fake-news