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Only you think of it as a winning proposition I couldn't care less. I'm just hoping the personal attacks stop. The only thing I'm trying to win at is personal development and I guess the only way I can determine that is when I'm dead. good luck to you in your future postings... I guess

you seem very insecure. the childish comment wasn't to offend and you took it the wrong way. it was not meant to be an insult at all. so, yup, you're insecure. i would have to say you're a pretty funny guy or girl.

i guess you shouldn't of corrected my grammar.you could of took the high road, but you chose not to. instead, you corrected my grammar. probably because of your insecurities about your self.

Check it out, you mentioned Hitler. Nice one! It's funny, Godwin's Law is pretty accurate.

Abangyrudo, some would say you have automatically lost the argument or debate because you busted out the Hitler reference where it was not needed.

shrugs I don't concern myself with those type of laws I've noticed most that cling on to it is to escape the fact that their point is invalid. Through your desparate attempt to cling to anything that says I'm wrong speaks volumes of your character as well as speaking volumes about your assertions of mine. Correcting your grammer neither is the high road or the low road it was meant to be a form of irony considering your whole comment to shove down shiggily's throat was about miscomprehension. Furthermore if I did indeed take it the wrong way what was the original intent of the statement " you seem very childish"? I'm very anxious to see what you come up with.

I do question my motives. perhaps you should question yours. You continually insist that I meant to be derogatory despite the fact that I told you that I do not intend to be derogatory. Now usually rational people who read what I wrote and think it is perhaps derogatory would at least stop and say "I am not sure you meant this, but it comes across as.... and I was wondering if you meant it as such" and then I would say "yes I did" or "no I didn't mean it as such... how should I reword it"

In this case it is not someone rationally saying "I am not sure you meant this, but it comes across as.... and I was wondering if you meant it as such". It is someone saying "you meant this as ..... and you meant it in a derogatory way and I don't care if you don't think you meant it as such... I know you better than you know yourself and I know that you were being derogatory." There is no rational consideration to how I meant to say something or how the message was supposed to read. There is only the irrational assumption that how you read things is how the person who said them MUST have meant it. It is not an insult to you, it is merely saying that assuming everyone must reason like you and speak like you and act like you is not a rational assumption. you have not stopped to consider how I word my post or what I intended to say. You just inserted meanings you presume I have and denounce any suggestions otherwise. And it is the least helpful thing in a conversation you can do aside from just openly attacking someone. Except that it is almost the same thing.

I rely on people to recognize that I think differently than they do, so while they might have had certain intentions or might have used words certain ways, those are not the same ways I use words or communicate. Because they recognize this, they can give me constructive pointers and I can actually make real effort to adjust my way of communicating. THOSE people help me learn to communicate better. But if everyone in my life communicated in the way some of the thread participants communicate I would never have made any useful progress because instead of saying "I am not sure you meant this, but it comes across as.... and I was wondering if you meant it as such" they would just keep insisting that I am an evil person with evil motives because I didn't stop to think about how certain people consider derogatory. I would still be stuck trying to figure out why people are upset because they won't explain why they do what they do, they would only insist that it is all my fault in ways I will never comprehend. Because I surround myself with constructive people I might learn that people use negative connotations over neutral connotations and colloquial definitions over dictionary definitions and while I do not understand why they do this, I can at least make accommodation in the way I communicate.

Which is absurd that in life I can find more NTs who understand differences in communication better and are willing to be more helpful than I can find in an AS forum where Aspies want people to understand differences in communication better and are willing to be more helpful... but seem to not want to extend that courtesy to other people.


Note: this post does not apply to a significant amount of WP members

yeah, I have enough black friends who have kindly explained the first part to me. Though they never bothered to explain that hair products for african americans are not applicable to white people. (It wasn't their responsibility), but I learned the hard way.

and the thread got long by the same way all threads get long. angry emotional flame wars. Also threads get long with funny pictures and dirty pictures.

on that note I will concur. I never expected the thread to get past one page. course if I had know it would be interpreted the way it was I wouldn't have taken the ironic but wearing 17+ pages route. I would have stated it in the normal way I do... which is boring, placid and usually interpreted as "preachy". Goes to show me why I shouldn't deviate from the norm even if I hate being called preachy.

it is not insecurity to think that what someone said could be insecurity. But usually you would calmly and nicely ask the person what they meant by what they said and then progress from there. In which case this thread would have been significantly shorter. It is maybe insecurity to insist that the words mean an insult after the person has said it wasn't intended that way. But to be honest I can't really say that it is insecurity for sure.

I only think that attacking a person instead of discussing issues shows insecurity about how comfortable a person feels with their argument/presentation of their ideas. And only because I watch too many political debates and it seems that when the topic veers into an area that the candidate feels they do not have strong convincing arguments in, they will attack the other candidate. And that this pattern of behavior seems to present itself in other areas of conversation. And I don't think that it indicates that the person is insecure about themselves, but that they are insecure about their positions on certain issues.

in that case the argument would have ended on page 2-3. Because i think Hitler has been mentioned 3-4 times in this thread alone.

And I wasn't sure about the childish remark so I asked what you meant by it. Which is usually what I do if someone makes a statement with intentions I do not understand. You didn't explain it so it must not have meant much.

Us Sexy Beasts.......

your expecting logical thinking and competence how dare you assume there is such a thing. Before anyone else says it I'm offended by the fact that ya said I don't communicate well enough. (I'm joking here just to make it clear)

PS: Don't expect an competent answer from them. Everything they have clearly said is your problem communicating they have all demonstrated. Every piece of "advice" could be used for them as well. They felt offended so they had an emotional backlash. There was nothing really to their argument expect they want you to cater to their insecurity.

Only problem I have with it is that they just started personal attacks and ganging up instead of just discussing their opinions calmly. If they didn't feel they made progress they could have just agreed to dissagree. So those people who conducted themselves rationally I have nothing against but those people who just start personally insulting I have a problem with. I think in general though if you look at Nietzsche's work on herd instinct you'll see this is all classic examples here.

In everything one thing is impossible: rationality.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

my social communication counselor suggested "ya'll" which sound very incorrect but I could use "all of you" in further discussion.

I don't expect rationality from all people all the time. But I need some rationality from most of the people I spend my time with at least more than half the time.