Why do people still support Trump?

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No.

They’re blaming him for not listening to public health experts & then governing accordingly. Instead, with no clear national leadership or strategy, things turned out the way they have and more than 185,000 Americans are dead. (And counting.) There is no pretending that trump’s pandemic response was appropriate nor that there wasn’t a better course of action he could and should have taken. Almost every other country figured it out, and trump’s own experts told him what the right moves were. He chose to F this whole thing up. There’s no defending that.

If Trump had tried to direct covid policy with a strong hand, many of y'all would be calling him a tyrant.

There is literally nothing he could do to please some of you.

And BTW, being president is not about caring if people like you or hate you. It's about doing what is best for your country. What exactly has Trump done that is best for the country?

So what exactly should Trump have done differently? See, the whole world was broadsided by COVID-19. Your Canada, for instance, was slow to ban travel from China after both the US and Australia already had.

There were various responses to an unprecedented crisis, and true lock-down didn't begin in most places until mid-March. You're making it Trump-specific. I see little difference between his actions and those of other leaders. What exactly do you suggest should have been done differently?

For starters he shouldn't have convinced people in this country that the whole thing was just a "liberal hoax" to make him look bad.

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I'm not sure which state you're in. Though Trump has power of persuasion as president, the USA is a federative country. Regardless of what Trump did or didn't say, from the get-go state governors and city mayors were setting their own policies.

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Everything?

No other world leader has been as incompetent with regards to covid - except maybe that idiot in Brazil.

Trump could have not lied and said it was 15 cases going down to zero and was nothing to worry about.. or could have not lied and said it was a democrat hoax. He could have encouraged mask wearing and social distancing. He could have not promoted bs cures. He could have listened to his own experts and federal guidelines and encouraged states to stay shut down until they flattened their curves instead of prematurely reopening. He could have had his administration take on a leadership role in terms of having a national strategy for testing, contact tracing, and procuring & distributing PPE instead of bowing out because it’s hard and telling states they’re on their own.. he could have not made covid & masks a partisan issue etc. Literally almost every single thing he could have done better if he had just done the normal things that almost every other country did, the USA could have slowed the spread of covid & saved a lot of lives so far + the plenty more that are sure to die now that its running rampant in the states.

Covid blindsided the entire world, yes, but almost no one f****d up their response to it as badly as trump has and continues to.

Fair points. I'm neither a Trump lover or hater. I think people here get polarized. But if I play devil's advocate, suddenly I'm a Trump-lover (in this case), or Trump-hater (if I'm talking to a staunch Trumpite).

I think Trump has said many things that are silly or downright incorrect. But there seems to be this push to blame it solely on him. He was wrong to say the virus would magically disappear in the summer. But he never actually said it was a hoax. More importantly, from the get-go, individual states were already implementing their own response (or lack thereof) as they saw fit even before Trump (or other countries) were implementing theirs.

I think I agree with you, Trump should have been a better leader. But I disagree on the course of action. Trump should have said, "Be safe, don't panic. Common sense, and we'll get through this." BUT EVEN IF HE DID THAT, the individual states still would have done whatever they wanted. Maybe his persuasion would have allowed more conservative leaders to take the virus more seriously earlier. But then again, Trump was slammed for restricting travel initially by his opponents, who are now saying he didn't lock-down fast enough. <Which ties in to this broader argument that whatever Trump does or doesn't do = BAD>. Even if Trump had done what you're suggesting, the response at the state and local levels would still have been polarized and the outcome nearly identical.

What I'm saying is that even if Trump had done what you suggest from the get-go, the early onset, his political opponents still would have slammed him for it. Either way, states would still act as they saw fit.

The Federal System of the USA is somewhat unique.

I've been through much of Canada (never made it to Labrador or the NWT, but I've seen more Canada than most Canadians). While large and technically a confederation, I've noticed the commonwealth government there has much wider control and the localized provincial/territorial governments don't exercise the same authority as states do in the USA.

Russia takes it a step further. A federation in name only.

Point is, I think many outside the USA fail to comprehend the whole state vs. federal dynamic and respond to the actions of the President as if he's a king. Checks and balances at the federal level. A separation of powers between federal and state governments. An unprecedented virus. Non-Americans who don't understand (and even a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand).

If Trump never said Coronavirus was a hoax then how come many of his supporters are still calling it a hoax? That misinformation had to have come from somewhere.

I wuld agree with that: From what I have seen here: If something goes wrong and the federal government have no control over it, it's a "why didn't the President do XYZ", and even pointing out the fact that certain areas are under state control (policing, public health, etc.) and how the federal government\President have no power over those areas, it's still their fault.

It's almost as though they WANT a dictator to take control (provided they are of the "correct" political allignment"), as they lack the capacity to understand their own system of government. The strange part is that the states with the largest issues seem to be under the very same political allignment as they wish to see in charge federally and which they "think" will make everything better...

It didn't start with Trump, per se. Though those who believe it's a hoax are indeed more likely to be pro-Trump. But don't assume everyone worships their leader as a king (the way I suspect you do with your cherished heroes).

The hoax theory doesn't require ONE person to champion it. It comes from a group of people who say, "Since I can't see it, it's NOT real." Tale as old as time.

Thank you, Brictoria. I had said earlier, people call Trump a tyrant / dictator...but then all their complaints seem to be that he wasn't tyrannical enough.

Trump ordered the magazine/newspaper Stars and Stripes to close.

Banana republic stuff.

Not even in the bad old days of the Alien and Sedition Acts did a President order a press entity to shut down.

He’s stretching the limits of the power of the Executive....

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You clearly don't know me well enough to realize that I'm too cynical for any kind of hero worship.

But the Trump base is a cult. They're the ones who believe 100% that he can do no wrong and you will never see a Trump supporter say anything bad about him, ever (and maybe the left thinks he can do no right, which is precisely why I believe we are headed towards war).