Sci-fi novel about people missing the rapture

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12 Feb 2012, 10:42 pm

I knew it bothered you for that reason. You want to go to space and find the premise worrying. But do you really believe it was meant to discourage christian astronauts? Really? Some dark plot hatched against the good christian astronaut corp?

And again, it's not a novel, it's a short story. Maybe 10 pages. Rest easy.



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13 Feb 2012, 2:02 am

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I hope the rapture is real. That would be very nice to live in a world without fundamentalist Christians.


Great...when you kick them, you inadvertently kick me...


How?

You're in the group 'Christians', but not the subgroup 'fundamentalist Christians', but the subgroup 'Quakers', instead. Think of it as being like Rodentia. You are chinchillidae (chinchillas) and they are anomaluridae (scaly-tailed squirrels). If anomaluridae go extinct, chinchillidae still survive. There are less members of Rodentia, but your family in particular are unharmed.


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


I'm scared of some of those psychos coming for me. They always wanna take away rights from gays, they basically want a war to break out in Israel so the apocalypse happens, they don't care about the environment because they figure Jesus is returning soon, etc etc.

I'm not talking about killing them. I'm just wishing they'd get taken up to the heavenly paradise they wanna go to so bad so they don't stay here to mess things up with their meddling. Its far-fetched, I know, but all I'm saying is that even if the rapture was true, I wouldn't mind. Finding Pat Robertson's congregation's clothes in piles wouldn't make me fall on my knees and beg white, neo-con Jesus for mercy.
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I'd just be like, "Wow there really is a God! This is awesome. I don't have to deal with these morons anymore." I'd thank the Lord and rejoice in him with jubilation for such a blessed gift. Now again, I don't look down on all Christians, just the stupid ones.



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14 Feb 2012, 1:34 am

I kind of wanna read this book though. I wish I knew the title now. If you find out, please let me know.



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14 Feb 2012, 9:35 am

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I kind of wanna read this book though. I wish I knew the title now. If you find out, please let me know.


Simon Says - told us the title/athor already on the previous page.



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14 Feb 2012, 2:05 pm

simon_says wrote:
I knew it bothered you for that reason. You want to go to space and find the premise worrying. But do you really believe it was meant to discourage christian astronauts? Really? Some dark plot hatched against the good christian astronaut corp?

And again, it's not a novel, it's a short story. Maybe 10 pages. Rest easy.


I don't find the premise worrying whatsoever, I find the author to be ignorant of the subject matter as it relates to the Bible.

But you want to go into calling me a conspiracy theorist, whatever.

I didn't know whether it was a novel or a short story, I'd only heard about it heard and thought, "hey, that sounds stupid." Then reading through the Bible again I came across the verses in Deuteronomy 30:4 and Mark 13:27, as well as Revelation 12:12.


As for naturalplastic, I don't expect the rapture to happen any time soon. I don't really care whether it's pre-trib, post-trib, or whatever, but if my interpretation of Revelation 12:12 is correct, then we will be in space prior to the actual end of days anyway. I believe the Bible is true, you don't, so what? And no, I don't care to get into all the apologetic evidence regarding the existence of God, in favor of the reliability of the Bible, and in favor of Christ being the fulfillment of messianic prophecies in the Old Testament, since people like you dismiss it offhand as "being for believers only", so I'm not going to bother. It's what I believe: the Bible and that Jesus Christ is the atonement for the sins of anyone who accepts Him as both their Savior and their Lord. You believe what you will, and if you talk about evolutionism, perpetual motion, and otherwise the notions of getting something for nothing, then I'll think you're as crazy as you think I am.



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14 Feb 2012, 2:12 pm

Um. Those are your words.

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Perhaps as some vain scare tactic to discourage Christians who have never read the Bible from considering becoming astronauts or some other crappy reason.


It's like talking to a new person with each post.



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14 Feb 2012, 2:39 pm

simon_says wrote:
Um. Those are your words.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Perhaps as some vain scare tactic to discourage Christians who have never read the Bible from considering becoming astronauts or some other crappy reason.


It's like talking to a new person with each post.


Yes, my words are those. That's not that I consider it a worrying premise, nor some "dark conspiracy", but that it would be one person with a notion like that. And that wasn't the only possibility I mentioned in that list, but it seems to be the one I considered that you're dwelling upon because it is a possibility of lower probability. I consider it more likely that they'd only heard preachings on the subject and came up with some stupid "rule" within their story in order to make the story work.



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14 Feb 2012, 2:42 pm

Parakeet, it's just a story. Fiction. Like your precious little bible, it is a fabrication designed for the enjoyment of it's reader.

Why are you so uptight about a story that doesn't even attempt to pass itself off as reality? Do you also get mad at Pokemon for making no sense? Or Star Trek?


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14 Feb 2012, 2:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Um. Those are your words.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Perhaps as some vain scare tactic to discourage Christians who have never read the Bible from considering becoming astronauts or some other crappy reason.


It's like talking to a new person with each post.


Yes, my words are those. That's not that I consider it a worrying premise, nor some "dark conspiracy", but that it would be one person with a notion like that. And that wasn't the only possibility I mentioned in that list, but it seems to be the one I considered that you're dwelling upon because it is a possibility of lower probability. I consider it more likely that they'd only heard preachings on the subject and came up with some stupid "rule" within their story in order to make the story work.



You mean an author of fiction developed a plot to explore a concept without regard to the real world? It cant be!

But there is no guarantee in the story that it was Jesus. Plus, the judgement itself deviates from any version of the Rapture Ive heard about so it's safe to assume that if it was Jesus, the bible is considered to be an inaccurate text within that universe. There are certainly real world believers who think that the bible contains human error. There are many possibilities.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:00 pm

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Parakeet, it's just a story. Fiction. Like your precious little bible, it is a fabrication designed for the enjoyment of it's reader.

Why are you so uptight about a story that doesn't even attempt to pass itself off as reality? Do you also get mad at Pokemon for making no sense? Or Star Trek?


I do not perceive the Bible as fictional, so try to understand it from my perspective rather than asserting your own perspective on this matter. If you perceived something important to be true and others just haphazardly mocked it, how would you feel?

No, I don't get mad a Pokeman. Nor Star Trek, I like Star Trek, except for the last movie and the last few TOS movies. Apart from Enterprise and Voyager, Star Trek has been one of my favorite shows on TV, primarily TNG and DS9 - especially the war with the Dominion in DS9 with the awesome space battles - but no I'm not upset at it for being inaccurate about physics or asserting the quintillions of years timeline, or asserting secular views about religion in general. That's a matter of "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". I've not read the novel/short story/whatever it is that I heard about from a member here a few months ago, but based on the premise that I heard about it sounds as though the author wrote the story without doing his homework.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:03 pm

simon_says wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Um. Those are your words.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Perhaps as some vain scare tactic to discourage Christians who have never read the Bible from considering becoming astronauts or some other crappy reason.


It's like talking to a new person with each post.


Yes, my words are those. That's not that I consider it a worrying premise, nor some "dark conspiracy", but that it would be one person with a notion like that. And that wasn't the only possibility I mentioned in that list, but it seems to be the one I considered that you're dwelling upon because it is a possibility of lower probability. I consider it more likely that they'd only heard preachings on the subject and came up with some stupid "rule" within their story in order to make the story work.



You mean an author of fiction developed a plot to explore a concept without regard to the real world? It cant be!

But there is no guarantee in the story that it was Jesus. Plus, the judgement itself deviates from any version of the Rapture Ive heard about so it's safe to assume that if it was Jesus, the bible is considered to be an inaccurate text within that universe. There are certainly real world believers who think that the bible contains human error. There are many possibilities.


I don't know the details of the story to address you properly, but if what I had been told previously about the main premise of the story were true then the book you're referring to is not the same.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:06 pm

I'm the one who told you about it in one of your space threads.

I remember mentioning it as a joke.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:23 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Parakeet, it's just a story. Fiction. Like your precious little bible, it is a fabrication designed for the enjoyment of it's reader.

Why are you so uptight about a story that doesn't even attempt to pass itself off as reality? Do you also get mad at Pokemon for making no sense? Or Star Trek?


I do not perceive the Bible as fictional, so try to understand it from my perspective rather than asserting your own perspective on this matter. If you perceived something important to be true and others just haphazardly mocked it, how would you feel?

No, I don't get mad a Pokeman. Nor Star Trek, I like Star Trek, except for the last movie and the last few TOS movies. Apart from Enterprise and Voyager, Star Trek has been one of my favorite shows on TV, primarily TNG and DS9 - especially the war with the Dominion in DS9 with the awesome space battles - but no I'm not upset at it for being inaccurate about physics or asserting the quintillions of years timeline, or asserting secular views about religion in general. That's a matter of "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". I've not read the novel/short story/whatever it is that I heard about from a member here a few months ago, but based on the premise that I heard about it sounds as though the author wrote the story without doing his homework.


It does not matter how you perceive the bible. Reality matters. The fact is that even if the christian god exists, the bible was written by men and has been translated many times. It is a fictional story.

People do make a mockery of things that I regard as fact. I don't particularly care. :lol:


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14 Feb 2012, 3:31 pm

abacacus wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Parakeet, it's just a story. Fiction. Like your precious little bible, it is a fabrication designed for the enjoyment of it's reader.

Why are you so uptight about a story that doesn't even attempt to pass itself off as reality? Do you also get mad at Pokemon for making no sense? Or Star Trek?


I do not perceive the Bible as fictional, so try to understand it from my perspective rather than asserting your own perspective on this matter. If you perceived something important to be true and others just haphazardly mocked it, how would you feel?

No, I don't get mad a Pokeman. Nor Star Trek, I like Star Trek, except for the last movie and the last few TOS movies. Apart from Enterprise and Voyager, Star Trek has been one of my favorite shows on TV, primarily TNG and DS9 - especially the war with the Dominion in DS9 with the awesome space battles - but no I'm not upset at it for being inaccurate about physics or asserting the quintillions of years timeline, or asserting secular views about religion in general. That's a matter of "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". I've not read the novel/short story/whatever it is that I heard about from a member here a few months ago, but based on the premise that I heard about it sounds as though the author wrote the story without doing his homework.


It does not matter how you perceive the bible. Reality matters. The fact is that even if the christian god exists, the bible was written by men and has been translated many times. It is a fictional story.

People do make a mockery of things that I regard as fact. I don't particularly care. :lol:


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14 Feb 2012, 3:33 pm

"Christian sci-fi" is almost as stupid as the Rapture™ concept itself


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14 Feb 2012, 4:18 pm

abacacus wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Parakeet, it's just a story. Fiction. Like your precious little bible, it is a fabrication designed for the enjoyment of it's reader.

Why are you so uptight about a story that doesn't even attempt to pass itself off as reality? Do you also get mad at Pokemon for making no sense? Or Star Trek?


I do not perceive the Bible as fictional, so try to understand it from my perspective rather than asserting your own perspective on this matter. If you perceived something important to be true and others just haphazardly mocked it, how would you feel?

No, I don't get mad a Pokeman. Nor Star Trek, I like Star Trek, except for the last movie and the last few TOS movies. Apart from Enterprise and Voyager, Star Trek has been one of my favorite shows on TV, primarily TNG and DS9 - especially the war with the Dominion in DS9 with the awesome space battles - but no I'm not upset at it for being inaccurate about physics or asserting the quintillions of years timeline, or asserting secular views about religion in general. That's a matter of "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". I've not read the novel/short story/whatever it is that I heard about from a member here a few months ago, but based on the premise that I heard about it sounds as though the author wrote the story without doing his homework.


It does not matter how you perceive the bible. Reality matters. The fact is that even if the christian god exists, the bible was written by men and has been translated many times. It is a fictional story.

People do make a mockery of things that I regard as fact. I don't particularly care. :lol:


Yes, reality matters extremely to me as well. What you regard as fact in terms of the origin of everything I consider fantasy and vice versa as you have stated copiously. Having the stance of pretending not to care makes for a strong appearance only, perhaps it's something you truly believe in also, but you'll find it crumbles like a house of cards in L.A. when you're actually faced with real derision.