Get rid of the laws and let the humans run wild!

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I understand the point you are making but others will argue against it ahh Freedom can be such a b***h

Thats why i adocate Self Ownership, you can do whatever you want TO YOURSELF as long as no one else is affected, and its your responsibility to face the consequences if someone is affected. Thats one thing i hate about America, our education is so watered down that we dont actually learn, and no one in the US has accountability for anything anymore. Dont believe me? Just look at the reasons why people sue each other, its usually for the stupidest reasons.

And as a guiding moral basis for what should or shouldn't be allowed, I think the harm principle is the best thing us humans have devised yet.

Does pollution from your coal plant have a detrimental effect on other people's health?
If yes, legislate against it.
If no, carry on.

Does gay marriage cause harm to anyone else?
If yes, don't allow it.
If no, allow it.

Is you becoming a heroin addict very likely to lead to you beating up old grannies to feed your habit?
If yes, ban heroin.
If no, shoot up and drop out.

My point exactly, if you trip and fall in a store you can sue the store and in America your bound to win, its such BS!

Very true I once heard a story about a woman sueing McDonalds because she ordered a hot coffee and it spilled on her. She sued because it was too hot though that is what she orded. And she won the law suit I was like geez welcome to America

Very true I once heard a story about a woman sueing McDonalds because she ordered a hot coffee and it spilled on her. She sued because it was too hot though that is what she orded. And she won the law suit I was like geez welcome to America

In this case, the woman did spill it on herself, which was her fault, but the main problem she had, was with the temperature of the coffee. It was too hot, which was McDonalds fault.

They were both at fault!

She ordered a hot coffee not a luke warm coffee a HOT COFFEE of course it was gonna be hot that is what she orded. So no it was her own fault spilling a hot coffee on herself. McDonalds didn't spill it on her she spilled it on herself. But she sued them any way...

I know what you are saying. Any sane person should know that if they spill hot coffee on themselves they are gonna get burned, but her argument was that the coffee was excessivily hot (hotter than it should be), which is hard to prove, without measuring the temperature of the coffee at the time, but they did have evidence of her burns. McDonalds didn't actually spill it on her (she did that herself), but they do have the responsibility to make sure their products are safe for consumers, which is what the whole argument was about. Yeah, it's kind of a dumb argument, but it's over and done with, I guess.

I see anarchy has the lead.
WTF are you people thinking?
You all bi+ch about bullying, meanness, hate, and intolerance, and whatever and at the same time you want to open the doors of hell.
You won't realize how much you love rule of law until it's gone and you really do find out what bullying, meanness, ect. is like when it goes totally unchecked.

Read this and poke holes in my philosophy if you find any, I will attempt to correct them.

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Crime in a society where nothing is forbidden would eventually cease to exist.

If people's basic needs are cared for, and they are not forbidden from any activity, then what reason do they have to commit a crime?

..for example, remove the idea of police for a second. GASP.

In the absence of police, people commit crimes. Maybe to steal something of value. Maybe because they get a rush from it?

Well if you take care of people, allow them to put in time to get bonuses like ipods (but food and shelter, basics are provided free.) then they have little incentive to steal.

The ipods come easily, they dont have to worry about placing it ahead of basics. And kids who get a rush from disobeying authority figures no longer get that chance- there are no authority figures.

You can go anywhere, build anything, travel, walk around naked. It DOES NOT MATTER.

The problem in our society is the ILLUSION of freedom. We are stuck within a certain boundary. Remove that boundary and I think you would find people functioned more altruistically.

It's like caging a shark to stop it from causing harm and saying "look how nice it is" when the alternative- letting it out to open ocean its natural place would be far safer.


I say eventually because people would act out.. to start with.

Let them get it out of their system and I think after the dust settled we would have achieved something worthwhile.


People are not ideal... say some guy loses his career and jumps off a highrise, splat. Dead.

Who will clean it up? People are all sitting at home, watching tv and fat. This is except for the cleanup crew. who probably hates their job but is paid to do it and must do it because they need to survive.

One of the crew steals a pocketwatch to pay the months rent.

In our good society this would not happen- people would be out doing things, the guy would have no problem going back to school and fiinding a new career or perhaps inventing a new kind of engine, or just writing an awsome movie. All expenses cared for.

The cleanup crew still cleans up the sidewalk but there is no dead body. Grandmas pocket watch is passed on to little timmy.

Still someone has to clean the toilets- you say no one will want to do hard work if there is no stick or carrot? Ideally you have self cleaning toilets but for the sake of transition we will need something to hold us over.. Let's reward people who do physical work MORE than those who do theoretical work.

Hear me out now..

Those who do theoretical work likely do it because they love it, they want to pursue new and interesting ideas. Little incentive is needed in this case.

Hard labour however is still hard labour- robot suits aside it isn't something people do for fun usually... so we need more carrot and no stick at all. No threat of eviction if they don't work- but huge bonuses if they do! We need to draw people to it somehow.

Vacations are not free- it's not some happy go lucky world yet. You need credits to buy ipods still.

But it's a step closer- no misery from job loss, no threat of homelessness, you can live the basic life or you can put in more effort and get some extra bonuses. Kind of like now only the lowest level is basic.

Sounds like communism? Well it isn't. People will still be seperated by how much they put in, what new ideas they come up with, how many fish they catch. The balance of how much each person earns will depend on the job and the progress they make.

People need to be allowed to grow but they should not be allowed to sink below water level.

To summarize:
=No laws.
=Free basics
=Huge incentives for work
=Free time
=True Freedom

What do you think?

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Sorry it's long but take it one point at a time- just pick one and reply it.

why would bullying and meanness go totally unchecked in a scenario where authoritarian law enforced by violence is absent?

I know what you are saying. Any sane person should know that if they spill hot coffee on themselves they are gonna get burned, but her argument was that the coffee was excessivily hot (hotter than it should be), which is hard to prove, without measuring the temperature of the coffee at the time, but they did have evidence of her burns. McDonalds didn't actually spill it on her (she did that herself), but they do have the responsibility to make sure their products are safe for consumers, which is what the whole argument was about. Yeah, it's kind of a dumb argument, but it's over and done with, I guess.

As soon as we get rid of the evil gov't, it will all be rainbows and lollipops all the time. Did you know that before government, nobody ever did violence or was mean to anyone, ever?

People in Europe have the same freedoms we do.