Should white people go back to Europe?

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So if someone wanted to stay in America, would they have to prove they were at least part Native American? Or would the burden be on the government to prove someone was not part Native American? That would be almost impossible, unless perhaps everyone had their DNA examined.
Also, since Hispanics are a mixed-race people with partial Native American ancestry, all the Mexicans would get to stay. America would end up more like a "Mexico Junior" than a Native American country.
Finally, the current population of Ireland (the Republic) is about 4 million. The population of America is around 500 million. If one out of every 10 Americans decided to go "home" to Eire, Ireland would receive roughly 50 million immigrants. It would be a calamity.

It's absolutely ludicrous. People will be a mixture of all different kinds of origins - Irish, German, French, English, possibly even various countries in the Caribbean or are from Africa and so on. It simply doesn't make sense - put that into the fact that some of the countries where these people have origins from may well not exist any more. There's nowhere to send these people back "to" - they're Americans.

Most (apart from new immigrants from Ireland) "Irish-Americans" aren't really Irish at all - they're Americans who want to feel connected to some other country. It's the same with white Australians and New Zealanders - they're not Brits (and they're forever telling us this), even though we have a lot of cultural similarity with the Anglo-Irish culture in those two countries.

Okay, but only if the native Americans move back to Russia.

Hmmmm I think for me it's different since my grandmother was English. I've always felt pretty British to be honest. At least 65% of my roots come from the British Isles too, possibly even 100%.

You said earlier on in this thread that you're part Irish. Although Ireland is physically part of the island group known as the British Isles, the Republic of Ireland is a separate country. Even your background is not as cut and dried as you're thinking. That said, if you are British/Irish mix, you're not that different from many (most where I live) people here, including myself.

If all the white Americans had to go back to Europe, then each person would have to pick one country to live in. A person might have ancestors from several countries, but a person can't reasonably live in more than one place at a time.
Most white Americans identify their ancestry as either German, Italian, English, or Irish. Those four countries would, therefore, receive the great majority of the immigrants.

Are we also hypothetically sending all the Asians, Aussies, Africans, etc. back "home"?

There are many degrees in between, as well. For example, my grandmother immigrated from Ireland when she was nineteen. My mother, born in America, spoke with an Irish accent as a child (and was ridiculed for it at school). Is my mother an Irish-American? Am I? Who gets to say where the cut-off is if not the individual him/herself? Some families may carry stories and traditions from the "old country" forward for several generations, and others may not. Also, many ethnic groups in America tend to marry their own (think Jersey Shore) meaning that someone who's great-great-grandparents were immigrants might still be genetically entirely linked to one country. It's a complicated issue, and sometimes difficult for people not part of an "immigrant nation" to fully grasp.

no one seemed to noe that following the original logic of this thread we should all end up in africa, no exceptions.

The thread is about sending white Americans to Europe. Going further back down the migratory trail is not, for whatever reason, in consideration here.

I wonder what the number of self-identifying Native Americans is? The more I think about it, the more I feel that Hispanics, African-Americans, and Asians would still greatly outnumber them, even in the absence of Americans of European descent. If the goal is to create a nation for Native Americans, then the forced emigration of those groups would also be necessary. As I've said before, that would be particularly difficult in the case of Hispanics - they are part Native American and should be allowed to stay on that basis, yet many aspects of their culture are European and would have a "corrupting" influence in re-establishing a Native American society.

Do you believe that immigrants to a nation should become a de-facto satellite of another country?

If people consider themselves Irish-American, then surely they must have strong connections to Ireland. If they don't, then surely they're just Americans. (You rarely hear of "English Americans" or "Welsh Americans" or "French Americans".)

To be honest, I don't think descriptions like this are helpful. If you move to a country, you should take on that nationality and identity without harking back to where you came from.

If you go to another country, you should integrate into the existing cultural norms. Otherwise you end up with ghettos like those that exist all over Europe that feel like satellites of Turkey and Pakistan.

There are an estimated 80 million people of English descent living in the U.S. today. That's more than the population of the whole of Great Britain. I'm sure we could find room for you though.. but it might get a bit cramped.

We should go back, at least temporarily, to see what it is like. By leaving Europe, we missed out on a long series of really awful wars, genocides, failed experiments in totalitarianism, etc. Things seem to have calmed down a little bit over there for the time being.

At present, most Europeans have a lot of advantages that we don't have.

I'm not sure what you mean by "satellite".



There are a few European countries with whom most white Americans identify. For example, one often hears of Italian-Americans and German-Americans in addition to Irish-Americans. That is because many immigrants came from these countries, especially in the nineteenth century when America was experiencing rapid expansion both geographically and in terms of population. Not so many immigrants came from Wales or France. As England was a prosperous place during that time, they experienced less immigration; as a result, it is somewhat rare to hear someone self-identify as an English-American. Most English immigration to America occurred earlier, during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (when America was an English colony). Since most people today can't trace their ancestry back that far, and as many English traditions are so widespread in America as to be indistinguishable from American traditions, there is less awareness of English descent.

Where they behave much like they would in Pakistan but catered to fit a British context - by going to mosque (or Polish Catholic churches), watching Pakistani or Polish TV, living in their own little ghettos, speaking Urdu or Polish most or all of the time, adhering to tribal customs (or even associating mostly with people from their area of Pakistan or Turkey), wearing Pakistani garb, and generally insisting that Pakistani Muslim or Polish traditions be given equal precedence to British or European traditions. A similar scenario is that of many British expats in Southern Spain and the Canaries - they live in their own little separate communities where everyone speaks English, their own little English bars, their own English libraries and community features, their own tradesmen, their own newspapers (featuring news stories translated from Spanish), avid watchers of British TV. I've met a fair few of these people over the years in various countries and I've usually found them to be pretty closed-minded, miserable and unpleasant. They don't consider themselves Spanish or Cypriot, for example, but British expats in Cyprus/Spain. Even their descendants don't really consider themselves Cypriots. I've been to little farmers' markets in the boiling sun in Cyprus, where you have a scene that wouldn't be out of place in 1950s England, with people selling pork pies and all sorts of other things like that in a completely alien culture. It's imperialistic and feels utterly out of place.

When you have enough of these people, and there are enough of them, and they're concentrated and ghettoised enough, they hold more and more sway over the rest of the population depending on their impact.

I'm not just picking on the Pakistani/Bengali Muslim immigrants to Britain, although this (and the British communities in Southern Spain and Cyprus) are little different in their refusal to integrate (and, from what I can tell, the Spanish resent them a lot too), although you don't have the other problems that Muslim immigrants bring.

I think that having different immigrant groups has been a nice feature to the USA. I think that Chicago has more Poles than Warsaw.

You can go out to different ethnic restaurants. Shop in different ethnic markets. It is a lot better than having only one brand of food, and going only to an American-style supermarket. It affords us a lot more choices.

We have a lot of Spanish language TV channels, which benefits those of us who want to keep up with our Spanish. Plus, a lot of Spanish-language programming is a lot sexier than the English-language fare.

Let me try to break my response down a bit.
Religion - Tends to remain the same. Most Irish-Americans are Catholic, most German-Americans are Lutheran, etc.
Language - Almost all Americans of European descent speak English, although some retain varying knowledge of their "father" tongue. I have friends of Dutch descent who call their grandparents "Oma" and "Opa", for example.
Ghettos - There are neighborhoods and towns where certain ethnic groups live in large numbers, but they are not generally "ghettos". Boston, for example, is home to a larger-than-average number of Irish-Americans. Many towns in America are also named after the towns in Europe from whence their original settlers came.
Clothing - Well, Europeans dress pretty much just like Americans, so that's not really an issue. Americans do hold Oktoberfest celebrations and the like, and some people like to dress in traditional costumes on those occasions.
Traditions - This is one area where Americans are really enthusiastic. Mention any tradition from the country with which an American associates him/herself, and chances are good that he/she will either be following it already, want to try it immediately, or at least be enthused to hear about it. Many Americans also like to learn about and try traditions from cultures with whom they do not personally identify, as well.

Wow, you've managed to turn this thread into another "I hate imaginary Muslims" thread.

For starters, most Polish immigrants to the UK don't plan on living here permanently. They come over here to do a manual job for a few years because they earn a wage that is comparable to that earned by young professionals (doctors, lawyers, engineers) in Poland, often sending most of their money to family in Poland.

So you're denying freedom of religion now? If someone wants to live in Britain then they should attend Anglican services or none at all? What about settled white Brits who choose to convert to Islam, are they allowed to go to Mosques?

I also think you exaggerate the "problems" of "ghettos" (i.e. poor people living in cheap housing), language, and clothing. Those problems practically disappear amongst second generation immigrants. Most first generation immigrants speak English unless they are alone at home, which to be fair any migrant will do, and I don't see why most "foreign" clothing is an issue at all.