Why are people still interested in migrating to the USA?

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19 May 2013, 1:32 pm

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So where are all the mass graves from all the political cleansing we did during the Bush regime?
Surely there are a few surviving witnesses or some evidence of the mass killings you're trying to imply.
:roll: :roll:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.vpc.org/studies/moreguns.pdf

272,590 gunshot deaths in the USA from 2000-2008. Plus, hundreds of thousands of people injured by guns.

Inflated figures for sure. All this proves is that you're anti-gun (big surprise there :roll: ) but that still doesn't cover political executions that you implied earlier.

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Over the same time frame, a huge surge in the number of people warehoused in our gulag system.

Just be lucky I'm not the Minister of Internal Security and Political Purity. :twisted:


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19 May 2013, 1:46 pm

The is plenty of under-the-table and quasi legal work available in this country. Also there is a booming market in illegal substances. Lots of work to go around.. And for the qualified immigrant and H1-B visa could be a nifty meal ticket.

But most of all, people in this country do not go hungry and they have a pot to piss in, even if they are poor.

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19 May 2013, 6:29 pm

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Also there is a booming market in illegal substances.

And how!
A good meth recipe, the means to make it, and the savvy to distribute it without getting caught.
Stacks of money to be made for the enterprising individual. :D


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20 May 2013, 5:32 pm

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Inflated figures for sure. All this proves is that you're anti-gun (big surprise there :roll: )


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Merely citing a statistic does not prove that I am anti-gun, although citing a statistic might be enough to get me killed, whether I'm anti-gun or not.



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20 May 2013, 5:47 pm

Don't turn this into another gun thread ffs. Neither of you will even attempt to see each other's arguments.

There are 9.8 gunshot deaths per 100,000 people per year in the USA (or there were in 2010). Over that period, there was an average of roughly 290 million people in the USA. That makes 227,000 over 8 years. The true number is probably higher because the murder rate is falling. It is disingenuous to use a figure over 8 years though- 1 year is more common.



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20 May 2013, 7:58 pm

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Merely citing a statistic does not prove that I am anti-gun, although citing a statistic might be enough to get me killed, whether I'm anti-gun or not.

That’s paranoia right there.

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Don't turn this into another gun thread ffs. Neither of you will even attempt to see each other's arguments.

There are 9.8 gunshot deaths per 100,000 people per year in the USA (or there were in 2010). Over that period, there was an average of roughly 290 million people in the USA. That makes 227,000 over 8 years. The true number is probably higher because the murder rate is falling. It is disingenuous to use a figure over 8 years though- 1 year is more common.

First you accuse us and try and tell us not to turn this into a gun thread but then put your own 2 pence worth in. :roll:


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21 May 2013, 2:43 pm

Either way, people abroad might want to reflect carefully before moving to a country that is a gun-crazed as ours.



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21 May 2013, 6:18 pm

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Either way, people abroad might want to reflect carefully before moving to a country that is a gun-crazed as ours.


If they are going to be hand-wringing candy asses like that they can stay where they are.
I've known more than one immigrant that came over here because of be closer to gun culture.
In fact, one of them owns a gun shop and is also a competitive shooter.


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21 May 2013, 9:34 pm

So we're attracting the wackos. :roll:



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22 May 2013, 1:03 am

Economics ?



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22 May 2013, 5:18 am

Quite a lot of people don´t feel at home wherever they were born at and try to emigrate to a new country to see if they have better luck.

US is one of the biggest countries and while its strength seems to be declining lately the same can be said about most countries right now.

Norway/sweden probably have a better economy if you are trying to start a new life.
However the cold weather makes most people overlook this countries if they are looking for a long term stay(we all want to find success but not everyone is willing to make huge sacrifices to achieve their goal)

I live in a country that will be under reccession for another good share of years( 2016 was the last official prediction and it will probably be fair longer than that).

People still come here because they are willing to sacrifice a higher pay for a better weather/ a more laid back culture.
That itself shows you how important little things such as weather can be for some people when it comes to deciding a place to stay in the long term.

A few weeks ago a friend had her family from the US visiting.
While she was gone her mother tried to explain us that she has been trying to get her daughter back into the US for years because she´d have a better job with a higher salary...(she is a teacher but she is doing odd classes here and there because there is no stable job for her right here) but now that she is getting to see the culture and everything she understands why her child doesnt want to go back.
She just didn´t belong there and she is making sacrifices to stay here in a tiny apartment going around the city all day to private houses to give hourly classes and try to pay rent in time



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22 May 2013, 6:08 am

spongy wrote:
Norway/sweden probably have a better economy if you are trying to start a new life.
However the cold weather makes most people overlook this countries if they are looking for a long term stay(we all want to find success but not everyone is willing to make huge sacrifices to achieve their goal)


Speaking of weather: the weather here is horrible in a fairly big chunk of the country--glacial winters, extremely hot summers.

On the other hand, we do have a lot of options: from beautiful Hawaii to the rugged North Slope of Alaska. But, for a lot of the country, we have six months of winter, followed by maybe 3 weeks of really nice weather, followed by (ugh) Summer!



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22 May 2013, 6:14 am

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People still come here because they are willing to sacrifice a higher pay for a better weather/ a more laid back culture.


And, people come here because they want to work themselves to death. Nurses who come here from the Philippines often put in 16-hour days, buy big houses, expensive luxury cars, and pile on debts while supporting family members back home. Some of them die of exhaustion right in the hospital.

Most of them buy life insurance policies right away.



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22 May 2013, 1:27 pm

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So we're attracting the wackos. :roll:


Do you know these people that I'm talking about to call them "wackos"?


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22 May 2013, 3:08 pm

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And, people come here because they want to work themselves to death.


Maybe so, but consider this....

In their home country, they would work as hard or harder for less. Why not move where you get a better deal than what you will ever have right now?

It's easy to say one should move to the BEST place ever to live, but odds are you can't move there. So, pick a place that's better enough than where you are. It's still a step up.

There are places better than the USA to live, but their immigration rules are very strict. Lots of Americans wanting to get out could not go there. So, if you want out of the USA, you think about places lower on the list. Better enough to be worth leaving as compared to staying.



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22 May 2013, 5:52 pm

mikecartwright wrote:
Economics ?


Basically, yes. There is a good chance that a person willing to work can earn a pot to pee in.

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