why do people bash islam but love christianity??

Page 3 of 22 [ 340 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 22  Next

Tequila
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 28,897
Location: Lancashire, UK

31 Jul 2013, 8:42 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Majority muslim countries with secular liberal governments.

Long time example: Turkey.


Not really. That example was an authoritarian government backed mainly by the military and was not a proper liberal democracy as we understand it (though I certainly give Atatürk much credit for doing his best to drag his country out of the dark ages). The state there tortured and killed their own people since, well, forever. It wasn't really secular - the government interfered with the mosque and no doubt the mosque interfered with the government.

So you lose.



Last edited by Tequila on 31 Jul 2013, 8:59 am, edited 1 time in total.

Tequila
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 28,897
Location: Lancashire, UK

31 Jul 2013, 8:58 am

The_Walrus wrote:
It's probably less accurate than the "every Muslim is an enemy of free speech" tripe that gets spouted by the Islamophobes.


Straw man. When have I or Condell or anyone else said this? Or are you pulling stuff from your bottom again?

We don't believe every Muslim is an enemy of free speech, but if you believe in Sharia, then yes, you are against free speech. The texts demand it.

Islam is not meant to be criticised; it is meant to reign supreme.

I'm not being bigoted by saying this. It's a fact.

There are plenty of Muslims who are in favour of free speech but most of them tend not to be very observant at all. That's sort of the point. The scripture is intolerant. It is possible, I suppose, to interpret it in a non-intolerant way, but from what I've read of ex-Muslims' accounts of them trying to do this is that it requires a lot of mental gymnastics, and they are not well-liked for doing it.

Now a question for you, The_Walrus.

Do you support the Government's funding of the ELM/LMC?



Last edited by Tequila on 31 Jul 2013, 9:02 am, edited 1 time in total.

Tequila
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 28,897
Location: Lancashire, UK

31 Jul 2013, 9:01 am

naturalplastic wrote:
To: Salad

you're getting the kiss of death from Nambo.

He happens to be a Holocaust denier, and an apologist for Hitler.


Sounds like he might have a bit in common with him then, if he's 'that' type of Muslim.



The_Walrus
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jan 2010
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,878
Location: London

31 Jul 2013, 9:30 am

Tequila wrote:

Now a question for you, The_Walrus.

Do you support the Government's funding of the ELM/LMC?

I don't really know much about it, in fact I didn't know what those acronyms stood for.

Some of the events it hosts and people associated with it seem to be utterly hateful and should not be given a platform to air their views. There's homophobia, anti-Semitism, hatred towards Christians, sexism, and people who have said things that go against everything I hold dear. Having said that, if a homophobic anti-Semite who wants democracy to be replaced with Sharia asks to give a talk about reducing re-offending amongst young Muslim men, then I don't have a problem with doing it as long as his solution isn't "kill the Jews". If Nick Griffin wants to become a Chemistry teacher, then I similarly have no problem. In both cases, of course, then they must not be allowed to incite hatred.

And I most certainly have no objection to the principal of religious groups receiving government funding.



GGPViper
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,880

31 Jul 2013, 10:02 am

salad wrote:
wearing burqa and niqab is not required, it's something extra that women can choose to do if they want. what's wrong if a woman chooses to wear that on her own free will?


You might want to direct that statement to Iran and Saudi Arabia. Apparently, they didn't get the memo.



Raptor
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Mar 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,997
Location: Southeast U.S.A.

31 Jul 2013, 10:34 am

salad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
How many Christians have hijacked a commercial air flight and crashed the plane into a tall building filled with innocent folks?

Answer: 0.

Now how many Muslims have done such a deed? Answer 11 on 9/11/2001.

ruveyn


how many christians fantasize lustfully about conquering every nation on the map? lost count. id say 90%.

how many christians have committed genocide on aboriginals/indigenous peoples?? lost count as well

9/11 is a water balloon fight compared to history's real tragedies, it's just that americans blow their suffering way out of proportion to make everyone feel sorry for them. I am not affected by crocodile tears and can distinguish the terrorist from the terrorized. Americans seem to have nothing better to do than ponder which country should they invade next, or which country should we nuke next. In my public school that i went to most of the students seems desensitized to war and carnage and casually discussed the prospect of invading and nuking countries. ive heard this from americans in schools, online, here on Wrongplanet (*cough* Teqilla *cough*), on the news, etc. when will your savage desire to spread carnage be quenched?? as they say, terrorism is the poor man's war and war is the rich man's terrorism. being a first world country seems to justify everything, doesn't it?? a terrorist by any other name is just as heinous.

:roll:
Doesn't matter what you think we (yep, I'm a Christian) fantasize over or even if we all fantasize over it.

Here's a list of Islamic terrorist attacks from 1970 to 2013 and the list will undoubtedly continue to grow well beyond 2013.
Try and top this list to include recent incidents. Fantasies don't count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks


_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson


The_Walrus
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jan 2010
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,878
Location: London

31 Jul 2013, 10:55 am

Tequila wrote:
Straw man. When have I or Condell or anyone else said this?

Sorry, I forgot. It's okay to be a Muslim as long as you join Secular Muslims Against Jihad.



wreck1
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Jul 2013
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 129

31 Jul 2013, 11:37 am

[49.15] The believers are only those who believe in Allah and His Apostle then they doubt not and struggle (jihad) hard with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah; they are the truthful ones.



glow
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,484
Location: England

01 Aug 2013, 1:58 am

Why take a mockery out of something that is already vengeful of the fact
that they have nothing in the east and the west have everything, yeah right.
Why dont these people open their eyes and smell the coffeee for once?
Without us, they wouldn't have a job to go to and peace and structure.
Without us, they would still be starving
Without us their infernal democracy wouldn't have changed.
So without us, their countries and their continents would not have survived
through black monday and beyond.
I have little more to say on the matter.



wreck1
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Jul 2013
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 129

01 Aug 2013, 3:04 am

I know glow :(
We shouldnt have the righ to vote.
...
But i think that you are too honest too.
You can express a lie from time to time which can make us feel well.
Honest is good. But you dont need to be honest if it is not requested.
??



N0tYetDeadFred
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 243
Location: Fortress of Solitude

01 Aug 2013, 8:48 am

The only Christian religious tradition with no blood on its hands is the Mennonites, and they would say that the reason for this is because the church made a terrible church/state compromise with Constantine in the fourth century that caused Christianity to be associated with state in the West thereafter. (They traded the cross for the sword, as some have put it.) I have to say that I agree with them. As ruveyn said, the church only became "detoxified" again after the Enlightenment/Protestant Reformation when the church and state again began to separate.

Nevertheless, Christianity was nonviolent during the first few hundred years, and Christians have that ideal to look back to, even if they don't live up to it. Islam, on the other hand, has been somewhat less progressive because Muhammad was a warrior, and Islam is predominant in parts of the world that never went through an enlightenment/Industrial Revolution/etc.

To answer the original question, I think the answer is as simple as Christianity was the "established" church in the West for a very long time and people are used to it, while Islam is "foreign" and therefore scary. The propoganda since 9/11 hasn't helped either.



glow
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,484
Location: England

01 Aug 2013, 3:47 pm

wreck1 wrote:
I know glow :(
We shouldnt have the righ to vote.
...
But i think that you are too honest too.
You can express a lie from time to time which can make us feel well.
Honest is good. But you dont need to be honest if it is not requested.
??


Yeah I do, and having the right to vote is shared by a democratic reform in a country.
now, you don't see a british tourist, throwing up trouble for merely wanting to share in anothers country for reasons of a cultural and bilingual interest. Get your facts straight before you start throwing your weight around about Christianity. We don't go around killing all innocent people and children and then shooting them in the head, for a spread of rumours about a movement which has no real meaning despite threat and terror and its good that Malala fought back of course it is, because without her other kids wouldn't have a place in a new democratic reform.

What i've said is right isn't it?

Warning- some scenes will be distressing for most people, so look away now or forward the video


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5yeW6XFZk[/youtube]

I read up on my geographical data but you don't need a map to know just what is going on.

And Malala's speech

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5X70VyjU0g[/youtube]



wreck1
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Jul 2013
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 129

01 Aug 2013, 4:15 pm

If you are honest then you are fragile. When I was honset I got banned from here. We have the smae God in the end? If you reject it then you remove yourself from us. Heard about that poinson cures poison? :idea: :oops:



Raptor
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Mar 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,997
Location: Southeast U.S.A.

01 Aug 2013, 6:01 pm

N0tYetDeadFred wrote:
To answer the original question, I think the answer is as simple as Christianity was the "established" church in the West for a very long time and people are used to it, while Islam is "foreign" and therefore scary.

More like it's some of the things done in recent decades (or recent months) in the name of Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Is ... st_attacks

Quote:
The propoganda since 9/11 hasn't helped either.

Had there not been any attacks by Islamics in 9/11 there wouldn't have been any of the "propaganda" that followed.


_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson


Sylkat
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Sep 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 17,425

02 Aug 2013, 12:45 am

The fact is that there have been Muslims living in America since the 1700s, having been given land by the Quakers.

There have been Muslims living as obedient Muslims, dress code, dietary restrictions, time out for prayers, and I am not aware of organized hatred against them.

Quite recently there have been organized attempts by Muslim communities to replace local law with Sharia Law.

It has only been in the last few years that there has been actual aggression regarding observation or obedience to Islamic laws and traditions demanded by Islamic groups.

I was at a buffet restaurant when a young Muslim told the server that a new knife must be used, because the one being used may have sliced pork.


I wanted SO badly to tell him that he should not be eating ANY meat there, as none of it was Halal!



Sylkat



wreck1
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Jul 2013
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 129

02 Aug 2013, 10:04 am

Sylkat wrote:
I wanted SO badly to tell him that he should not be eating ANY meat there, as none of it was Halal!
Sylkat

For the mainstream muslims (sunnies) then all meat wheither from the sea or land is halal except pork. For us the second largest (shia) then there what you said is true. I guess that muslim you are talking about is sunni and what you said dont yield. But for me, shia, I would command what is good before quitting to eat over there. You are mixing things up. But that is allright.

We should be allowed to influence you by existing? Like you influence us by existing. We only are more organized for the moment and better equipped so "victory" is ours. We are not evil too. You could reduce your resistance to us and it will be easier to stay openminded. But I guess you have to do resistance.