Why are the progressives and left of the US so aggressive?

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OIC----and, I AGREE!!

To me it sounds like you need to be in a place with no structure and no laws - an island with yourself might work.

You still have not laid out any plans that could fix any given problem we are having at the moment. How are you going to fight against both sides and win anything?

You're still of the view that the Democrats and Republicans are different "sides". They are in fact the same side. There are people like us, and then there are those who rule. Big money rules in America, especially after the Citizens United decision. Our entire government framework supports this system though; it's archaic, it was designed by the wealthy and for the wealthy and isn't going to change.

The people of America need to rise up, to say "you work for us!" We need a new constitution, a new government. One designed to protect the rights and serve the interests of the common people, not those of the wealthy and elite. What do you think happens if millions and millions of Americans look at what we have now and say "no"?

It's not going to happen the way you want it to. Whether you believe it or not, voting for Trump was a Revolution - a controlled Revolution done within the confinements of the law. Trump is the first President who has never held any political office to my knowledge. The people were saying by voting for Trump that they no longer wanted a Politician in the White House. They'd had enough.

Right now, there could never be a successful Revolution because Asswipe has done his best to split everyone up and make all the races and religions hate each other. America has never been more divided.

I do believe there are Elites from both sides who are wanting globalisation, but they have to take down America first. The only way to do that is divide and conquer - Asswipes plan all along. Get the races and religions against each other so while we are fighting one another, he takes us down from the inside with the adding of millions of illegal immigrants and Obamacare - and then we are bankrupt never to come back. The Elites are totally pissed off about Trump because now yet again, their globalization is put on hold.

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Oh, come now. Where's that hope you had earlier? Leaving a bag of flaming dog s**t on Congress' doorstep does not constitute a revolution, especially when they're gearing up to put said s**t on a platter and serve it back to us.

There is definitely a positive sign in Trump's election though; it is a repudiation of both the big parties. The form that repudiation took is unfortunate, but indicates people are finally getting fed up. When Trump fails, they'll need a different solution.

Read what I wrote in the other Trump thread.

I would say that nearly every media organization and the experts in several different policies disciplines have come to an unusual and unprecedented consensus that you're incorrect. And I say that because they have.


http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2016/03/commentary-on-trumps-economics.html (Greg Mankiw, if you're not aware is a former head of the CEA under George W Bush, and the author of many of the US's textbooks)

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/08/25/economists-whove-advised-presidents-are-no-fans-of-donald-trump/

He does so poorly on foreign policy as well, that GOP national security experts flocked to Hillary Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/national-security-clinton-trump-225137

His ongoing failures with foreign policy experts are still floating around.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-policy-experts-grow-more-hostile-to-trump-as-n-korea-tests-missiles/2016/09/18/401648de-778c-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html

Maybe people who know things aren't really that important, but I assure you that if you have undertaken some formal or semi-formal study of foreign policy and/or economics, Trump should not impress you either with all of the things he has carelessly said. And if you want to debate the foundations our knowledge on policy, then I can follow that debate all the way down the rabbit hole.

And this isn't even getting into the ongoing tragicomedy that we continue to see with an incoming president who has no experience in the office and who was reportedly unaware that he needed to staff the executive branch upon entering the presidency.

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And many Republicans throughout the Obama administration made their own idle threats, and claimed that the president was actually born in Kenya. Somehow I don't think some great moral point is being made by you, Jacoby.

Awesomelyglorious, you are well-named.

Oh, they're the language police. Do they want safe spaces and trigger warnings as well?

I'm sorry, I thought these were political protests. I didn't realist they were just another identitarian public shaming campaign. Though, it's odd they don't want to change the results of the election; usually the goal of these sort of campaigns is to get the target fired. Identitarians do love to wield the club of economic coercion to enforce conformity.

Do you think they understand that, since they're not going to get Trump fired, people might realize they can safely ignore these little temper tantrums? So the next time they try it, it might not be as effective?

[Oooooo... look at me. Suggesting that people ignore the temper tantrums of a bunch of spoiled brats. Small wonder there's this other thread about how autistics are bad parents.[

Somehow I get the impression that formally associating with white nationalists, like Steve Bannon, or bringing forward the idea of starting a national registry of Muslims, happens to be a little bit of a bigger deal than "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings". Maybe it's just me, but both of those things seem a little bit on the scary side for a country that has wants to pride itself on being a beacon of freedom and equality between people.

Honestly, I have several friends who have joined in such protests. I don't get the impression they're doing this to be spoiled brats. I will admit that being ill-tempered can be a bipartisan cause, but a protest vs association with actual racism? A protest vs a national registry? I think between the two I'd have to stick with the protest, unless you really want to defend these actions.

The only progressives reported commenting violence are some anarchists from Portland, and some particularly angry Black Lives Matter activists.

To people who think like that, it's typically one and the same. For a lot of them, even acknowledging that we don't live in an egalitarian utopia of perfect equality is offensive.

Haven't you learned anything from Clinton's failed campaign? Haven't you learned to take the MSM with a pinch of salt? Haven't you learned that virtually everybody, including the majority of the "left" and all moderates are sick and tired of baseless accusations made by crybully progressives?



There was a man arrested on terrorist charges just a few days ago in my town. He was a recent convert to Islam, and has already become radicalised to the point that he is involved in a terrorist plot. Law enforcement (aka our governments) has data on virtually every person in the country. A national registry of Muslim immigrants already happened in the US, post 9/11. Look up NSEERS.



Is it? Which is more frightening, the idea that you have a proactive anti-terrorist politician or the deliberate erosion and undermining of Western ideals?



The US stands for freedom of its own people. Of those who are not discordant with the values laid down in the constitution. It is the "land of the free", not the land of the pacifist pushovers.



The protesters are doing it because they are spoilt brats, not because becoming a spoilt brat is their goal.



Islam is not a race, it's an ideology - one which has produced more than its fair share of violent extremists.



Where were the protests over NSEERS? How effective was it at reducing the risk of terrorism? What alternative suggestions do you have to fight terrorism? These are the questions that matter to many of your fellow citizens who are far more concerned with extremists who wish to blow people and property to pieces than they are with the feelings of progressive snowflakes.

As has Christianity? Your point? Are we making a national registry for Christians? Islam itself is no more a religion of violence than Christianity. Extremists are the issue, and every religion has its extremists. As given that most KKK members identify as Christian, what does that say to you? Punishing multiple entire ethnic groups because of a few bad apples is appalling. If people like you weren't bigots in denial you'd see that.

Because the left has been f***** over by the liberal establishment. People right now clearly see the failure of centrism.

You think this is aggressive? I'm in awe of how sheltered you must be.