Antifa to be Declared a Terrorist Organization (Finally!)

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31 May 2020, 9:17 pm

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Resisting fascism? Most of these idiots get their asses handed to them. Not very good warriors if you ask me.

If they want to get up in people's faces, maybe they should learn how to fight...take a martial arts course of something.

Or, perhaps, they should do something a bit more constructive, like participating in a circle jerk.

Honestly, Antifa occupies the flip side of the coin with the fascist morons.

I am confused, are you saying that Antifa are poor fighters, and thus should be more trained to be a more effective army or something? That would actually make them the type of terrorist army that they are implied to be? If armed it is probably something like a baseball bat, they are not becoming organized groups that go in with guns and take over government buildings to terrorize them into lifting stay at home sanctions during a pandemic because they think it is all a hoax.

Anti-fascism is not a flip side that is equal to fascism, because fascists actually squirm their way into power and create far reaching impacts that can violently get people killed. Anti fascists are literally up against people who model themselves off of Nazis, who were called fine people by a president that played on fears of minority groups and foreigners, just like Hitler did, and similarly calls all press that does not report things the way he wants the fake news/lying press. Pushing narratives that any protest he does not agree with, especially non-violent, is anti-American, been openly fighting to supress voting, and then act surprised when opposition is violent.

The problem with your understanding is that you are equating things like "there were SOME fine people" being opined as stating that everyone there was described as a "fine person" - The actual quote was limited in scope, whereas it was "reported" (and you posted) that there was no limit on who was covered in the comment...Much like stating there were "SOME people at these protests acting with unlawful intent" would not mean that a person making the statement is saying that everyone protesting is actring with unlawful intent.

Sadly, it seems that people prefer to see what they want in those they disagree with: Rather than look at the actual words used (source material), they rely on the "filtered" version\excerpts\ "news" media opinion pieces which support what they want\hope to see.

It's hard trying to be impartial...both sides don't care to listen to what you say, as it disagrees with what they want to hear.

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31 May 2020, 9:18 pm

There is a big difference between censorship & deleting hand-picked propaganda clickbait.

We had this thread last week. And the week before that. We get it, liberals are f*****g vampires. Enough already.

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31 May 2020, 9:19 pm

Cops becoming murderers is also anarchy.

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31 May 2020, 9:20 pm

Study Gandhi.

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31 May 2020, 9:33 pm

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Cops becoming murderers is also anarchy.

So: You have evidence of this being widespread/condoned, or are you using a small number of geographically dispersed unlawful events and considering them as one huge conspiracy?

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31 May 2020, 9:34 pm

Where I'm getting to, if we end up in some Mad Max or Book of Eli scenario where everyone pretty much killed each other and there's a few million people spread across the country who are living life in a way that makes the worst present Appalachian poverty look preferable, maybe they'll still be debating whether it was the far right or far left that did it. We're incorrigibly stupid like that.

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31 May 2020, 9:38 pm

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No, I am well aware of the full context. He was asked to condemn people on the side that took torches and shouted Nazi chants, were fighting to keep a racist monument, and had a member run down a counter protestor. He could not condemn any specific ideology and made a statement saying that there were bad people on both sides and fine people too, a statement that means nothing other than saying people protesting against things like racism are just as bad as people protesting for it. Something that greatly pleased the racists because they understand that he would not be able to just come out and say he supported them, thus was a dog whistle to imply he was.

The question was not about whether he thought that some of the protestors on either side might include personally good people, but if your response when asked to condemn people who shouted blood and soil is to act like it is, I have new for you.

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31 May 2020, 9:39 pm

Full disclosure; I spent more than 2/3 of my life curating technical knowledge of things authorities never wanted me to know about. That's my source of employment. I am a hacker.

I don't care what you have to say about either political party, truthfully said parties may well find themselves responsible for thermonuclear war.

Bugger off with the partisan pretenses & give each other a big ole scratchy hug already.

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31 May 2020, 9:48 pm

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Darmok is too far down the disinformation schill rabbit hole to be reached. Can the mods PLEASE put a stop to this obnoxious propaganda neatly? Obviously blaming anarchists for police committing vehicular assault is a sh***y move.

Darmok and his alter-ego "Solosailor" have a long history of this. Tried and failed pointing this out to mods...his imagery/propaganda is in the eye of the beholder

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31 May 2020, 9:50 pm

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Could you please clarify: Was the question phrased in such a way that he was asked to codemn a subsection of the group on one side, or to condemn the protesters as a whole, with no differentiation between the "pleasant" and "unpleasant" groups? Asking if someone condones "the protesters" is a different question to whether they condone "the protesters doing XYZ", and will result in a different answer.

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31 May 2020, 9:57 pm

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Honestly, Antifa occupies the flip side of the coin with the fascist morons.

Had they not arose then the police would be letting the alt-right wander fully armed in marches all over the states celebrating their mentor Trump.

History repeating itself

1925 KKK rally in front of the whitehouse

2017 right wingers marching to unite the right celebrate Trump

2020 right wing milita march protecting Trump supporters....all coming full circle...the issues of 1925 have still not been addressed

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31 May 2020, 9:59 pm

friends of Trump

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31 May 2020, 10:07 pm

Scary 1984 stuff.

Probably everyone can be labeled a domestic terrorist.

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31 May 2020, 10:12 pm

Whatever solution we decide on should also include legalizing marijuana and public nudity. #legalizepot #freethenipple #freethewiener

And of course, much better training for working with racial minorities and those with mental or developmental disorders.

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31 May 2020, 10:15 pm

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friends of Trump

And yet, when looking at all the protests in recent times, what level of violence and property damage comes from the right-wing protests (when not confronted by "counter protesters"), what level from left-wing protests (when not confronted by "counter protesters"), and what level from protests when confronted by "counter protesters"?

I'm struggling to think of a recent right-wing protest (where no counter-protest group appeared) which involved violence or property damage...

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31 May 2020, 10:17 pm

The one thing that really sucks - we can't enforce no mask laws right now because of Covid.

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