Why do people still support Trump?
Banana republic stuff.
Not even in the bad old days of the Alien and Sedition Acts did a President order a press entity to shut down.
He’s stretching the limits of the power of the Executive....
You mean the bit where he ordered it not be closed?
“The United States of America will NOT be cutting funding to @starsandstripes magazine under my watch,” Trump tweeted. “It will continue to be a wonderful source of information to our Great Military!”
Trump's tweet came as he fought off new accusations that he called service members killed in World War I “losers” and “suckers” during an event in France in 2018. The comments, first reported by The Atlantic and confirmed by The Associated Press, are shining a fresh light on Trump’s previous public disparaging of American troops and military families and they delivered a new campaign issue to his Democratic rival Joe Biden, less than two months from Election Day.
The Defense Department has ordered the paper to halt publication by Sept. 30, and dissolve the organization by the end of January. The order, in a recent memo to Stripes, follows the Pentagon's move earlier this year to cut the $15.5 million in funding for the paper from the Defense Department budget.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/pentagon-orders-shutdown-stars-stripes-newspaper-72818299
Unless there's some (not anonymous) source showing him ordering it to be closed, it seems he in fact did not order it be closed...
I wuld agree with that: From what I have seen here: If something goes wrong and the federal government have no control over it, it's a "why didn't the President do XYZ", and even pointing out the fact that certain areas are under state control (policing, public health, etc.) and how the federal government\President have no power over those areas, it's still their fault.
It's almost as though they WANT a dictator to take control (provided they are of the "correct" political allignment"), as they lack the capacity to understand their own system of government. The strange part is that the states with the largest issues seem to be under the very same political allignment as they wish to see in charge federally and which they "think" will make everything better...
Thank you, Brictoria. I had said earlier, people call Trump a tyrant / dictator...
How they want the country to be run...
Because he is of the "wrong" party..."Their" party would be so much better at being tyranical.
But the Trump base is a cult. They're the ones who believe 100% that he can do no wrong and you will never see a Trump supporter say anything bad about him, ever (and maybe the left thinks he can do no right, which is precisely why I believe we are headed towards war).
It was the "it must have come from somewhere" stance that made me question your logic. Even without Trump (or Trump's backing) there would be people who believe it's a hoax. I can't blame that squarely on Trump, or says he's the SOURCE of the hoax movement. Amplified it, perhaps.
I agree Trump has a cult of personality, and a cult following. Which is bad. Doesn't mean his whole base is a cult. I also thing he has his staunch haters. Also bad. Don't know why either side puts so much faith (or lack thereof) in ONE fallible human being.
But the Trump base is a cult. They're the ones who believe 100% that he can do no wrong and you will never see a Trump supporter say anything bad about him, ever (and maybe the left thinks he can do no right, which is precisely why I believe we are headed towards war).
It was the "it must have come from somewhere" stance that made me question your logic. Even without Trump (or Trump's backing) there would be people who believe it's a hoax. I can't blame that squarely on Trump, or says he's the SOURCE of the hoax movement. Amplified it, perhaps.
I agree Trump has a cult of personality, and a cult following. Which is bad. Doesn't mean his whole base is a cult. I also thing he has his staunch haters. Also bad. Don't know why either side puts so much faith (or lack thereof) in ONE fallible human being.
I suppose Americans are just stupid enough to allow this to happen. This isn't the first time in our nation's history that half the country was angry enough and wanted to kill the other half.
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I personally believe it's part of human nature, true world-wide, not unique to Americans. But the USA really is unique and special in the fact that here, it can actually come to a boiling point. Not that coming to a boiling point and unrest is good. There are pros and cons to what comes from freedom.
But other countries don't allow the full political freedom for such "stupidity" to come to a boiling point in the first place, because they don't have the freedom to let it come to fruition to begin with. Overly simplified, but much truer in the uniqueness of the American Federative system than (honestly) anywhere else in the world today.
Yesterday, Joe Biden claimed that a “black guy invented the lightbulb, not a white guy named Edison".
https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-white-gu ... 54829.html
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There are people who will slavishly defend Trump—despite evidence stating one in the face that he shouldn’t be defended.
Just because one is a conservative does not make one an automatic Trump supporter.
If Trump did, indeed, make the statement that people who died in war are “losers” (I feel like he was misquoted, somehow), he is doomed.
Biden was just confused again.
Biden was referring to Howard Latimer, who worked for Alexander Graham Bell.
"No, a Black man didn't invent the light bulb. But Lewis Howard Latimer made it better"
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/biden ... index.html
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No other world leader has been as incompetent with regards to covid - except maybe that idiot in Brazil.
Trump could have not lied and said it was 15 cases going down to zero and was nothing to worry about.. or could have not lied and said it was a democrat hoax. He could have encouraged mask wearing and social distancing. He could have not promoted bs cures. He could have listened to his own experts and federal guidelines and encouraged states to stay shut down until they flattened their curves instead of prematurely reopening. He could have had his administration take on a leadership role in terms of having a national strategy for testing, contact tracing, and procuring & distributing PPE instead of bowing out because it’s hard and telling states they’re on their own.. he could have not made covid & masks a partisan issue etc. Literally almost every single thing he could have done better if he had just done the normal things that almost every other country did, the USA could have slowed the spread of covid & saved a lot of lives so far + the plenty more that are sure to die now that its running rampant in the states.
Covid blindsided the entire world, yes, but almost no one f****d up their response to it as badly as trump has and continues to.
Fair points. I'm neither a Trump lover or hater. I think people here get polarized. But if I play devil's advocate, suddenly I'm a Trump-lover (in this case), or Trump-hater (if I'm talking to a staunch Trumpite).
I think Trump has said many things that are silly or downright incorrect. But there seems to be this push to blame it solely on him. He was wrong to say the virus would magically disappear in the summer. But he never actually said it was a hoax. More importantly, from the get-go, individual states were already implementing their own response (or lack thereof) as they saw fit even before Trump (or other countries) were implementing theirs.
I think I agree with you, Trump should have been a better leader. But I disagree on the course of action. Trump should have said, "Be safe, don't panic. Common sense, and we'll get through this." BUT EVEN IF HE DID THAT, the individual states still would have done whatever they wanted. Maybe his persuasion would have allowed more conservative leaders to take the virus more seriously earlier. But then again, Trump was slammed for restricting travel initially by his opponents, who are now saying he didn't lock-down fast enough. <Which ties in to this broader argument that whatever Trump does or doesn't do = BAD>. Even if Trump had done what you're suggesting, the response at the state and local levels would still have been polarized and the outcome nearly identical.
What I'm saying is that even if Trump had done what you suggest from the get-go, the early onset, his political opponents still would have slammed him for it. Either way, states would still act as they saw fit.
The Federal System of the USA is somewhat unique.
I've been through much of Canada (never made it to Labrador or the NWT, but I've seen more Canada than most Canadians). While large and technically a confederation, I've noticed the commonwealth government there has much wider control and the localized provincial/territorial governments don't exercise the same authority as states do in the USA.
Russia takes it a step further. A federation in name only.
Point is, I think many outside the USA fail to comprehend the whole state vs. federal dynamic and respond to the actions of the President as if he's a king. Checks and balances at the federal level. A separation of powers between federal and state governments. An unprecedented virus. Non-Americans who don't understand (and even a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand).
Orly? I believe this is the first time he referred to coronavirus as a Democrat hoax:
..and then he goes on spouting nonsense & downplaying the seriousness of the virus. His “leadership,” caused half of America to not take this seriously from the get go. Now nearly 200,000 Americans are dead (possibly more depending on which numbers you believe) and it’s projected to be over 410,000 by the end of the calendar year - and then will continue climbing.
The orange mouth breather is responsible for the lack of a national response to covid-19 & these deaths are on his hands.
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Just because one is a conservative does not make one an automatic Trump supporter.
If Trump did, indeed, make the statement that people who died in war are “losers” (I feel like he was misquoted, somehow), he is doomed.
Based on what he said about US troops, my husband thinks he won't be re elected now but I told him "I am not sure about that, people are already denying it calling the sources anonymous even though The Atlantic has been around since the 1850's." Then he explained to me what anonymous sources mean.
Of course people would want to stay anonymous when making this report because they don't want Trump to retaliate against them like he has before with others who have spoken against him.
Lot of humans retaliate to be fair. It has to do with a flight or fight response, if we feel attacked, we retaliate which is why reports are always made anonymous with CPS and other things.
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