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Zimmerman should be found..
Guilty 48%  48%  [ 32 ]
Not Guilty 35%  35%  [ 23 ]
Undecided 17%  17%  [ 11 ]
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15 Jul 2013, 3:35 pm

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Funny thing is Zimmerman is 'hispano'. Hispanos have been in US for a few decades, and they're starting to get their place in society, until the point of being included in the 'white' group, not in the 'inmigrant' one.


:lol::lmao: Hispanics have been in this country since before white people.


I'm pretty sure, to put it mildly, that he was being sarcastic with the "few decades" thing.


I was not being sarcastic. Here you have a chart:

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To compare, in the same period, 1850 until now, US population was increased 10 times.

Hispanic population 150 years ago was negligible. It doesn't start to be significant until the period between WWI and WWII. And the big growth started in 60s-70s.

So, Max000, if you need some more help with the history of your country, let me know :mrgreen:


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15 Jul 2013, 3:38 pm

Max000 wrote:
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Funny thing is Zimmerman is 'hispano'. Hispanos have been in US for a few decades, and they're starting to get their place in society, until the point of being included in the 'white' group, not in the 'inmigrant' one.


:lol::lmao: Hispanics have been in this country since before white people.


That is true. Spaniards made landfall in the Americas long before the Dutch and the English.

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15 Jul 2013, 3:45 pm

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Funny thing is Zimmerman is 'hispano'. Hispanos have been in US for a few decades, and they're starting to get their place in society, until the point of being included in the 'white' group, not in the 'inmigrant' one.


:lol::lmao: Hispanics have been in this country since before white people.


That is true. Spaniards made landfall in the Americas long before the Dutch and the English.

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Spaniards and Hispanos are not the same. As they're not the same Americans vs British, or Quebecois vs French.


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15 Jul 2013, 3:46 pm

Greb wrote:
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Greb wrote:
Funny thing is Zimmerman is 'hispano'. Hispanos have been in US for a few decades, and they're starting to get their place in society, until the point of being included in the 'white' group, not in the 'inmigrant' one.


:lol::lmao: Hispanics have been in this country since before white people.


I'm pretty sure, to put it mildly, that he was being sarcastic with the "few decades" thing.


I was not being sarcastic. Here you have a chart:

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To compare, in the same period, 1850 until now, US population was increased 10 times.

Hispanic population 150 years ago was negligible. It doesn't start to be significant until the period between WWI and WWII. And the big growth started in 60s-70s.

So, Max000, if you need some more help with the history of your country, let me know :mrgreen:


They have had a heavy presence in parts of the US for centuries. The southwest definitely comes to mind. How long are we going to have to argue over this?


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15 Jul 2013, 4:15 pm

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They have had a heavy presence in parts of the US for centuries. The southwest definitely comes to mind. How long are we going to have to argue over this?


Well, and they're Dutch descendants in some parts of US. But that doesn't make Dutch people a significant ethnic group in US.

It's like if we're talking about black people in US, slavery started in late XVIIth-early XVIIIth. Does that mean that there was zero black people in America before then? Of course not but... seriously, is this the level of the debate?


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15 Jul 2013, 4:21 pm

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Zimmerman is a guy with no history of violence neither racism. Just the opposite.


Mis-information.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting an officer with violence" and "battery of a law enforcement officer." Both felonies considered third-degree. The charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.

In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence.

But you don't care about his history of violence, because he is your hero. You only care about their history of violence when the person is black.


He was also fired for hurting a patron and generally being too aggressive with people. The former boss said something about him acting crazy. No question that he likes to put his hands on people. I don't think any of that was available to the jury. But everyone else knows it.



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15 Jul 2013, 4:33 pm

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Max000 wrote:
Greb wrote:
Zimmerman is a guy with no history of violence neither racism. Just the opposite.


Mis-information.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting an officer with violence" and "battery of a law enforcement officer." Both felonies considered third-degree. The charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.

In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence.

But you don't care about his history of violence, because he is your hero. You only care about their history of violence when the person is black.


He was also fired for hurting a patron and generally being too aggressive with people. The former boss said something about him acting crazy. No question that he likes to put his hands on people. I don't think any of that was available to the jury. But everyone else knows it.


Says who exactly? Answer: a unknown source.


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15 Jul 2013, 4:38 pm

simon_says wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Greb wrote:
Zimmerman is a guy with no history of violence neither racism. Just the opposite.


Mis-information.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting an officer with violence" and "battery of a law enforcement officer." Both felonies considered third-degree. The charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.

In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence.

But you don't care about his history of violence, because he is your hero. You only care about their history of violence when the person is black.


He was also fired for hurting a patron and generally being too aggressive with people. The former boss said something about him acting crazy. No question that he likes to put his hands on people. I don't think any of that was available to the jury. But everyone else knows it.


These sound like allegations with minimal substance. My boss says I'm crazy and that I hurt people, zippitty doo dah. :cheers:


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15 Jul 2013, 4:42 pm

Greb wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Greb wrote:
Zimmerman is a guy with no history of violence neither racism. Just the opposite.


Mis-information.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting an officer with violence" and "battery of a law enforcement officer." Both felonies considered third-degree. The charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.

In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence.

But you don't care about his history of violence, because he is your hero. You only care about their history of violence when the person is black.


He was also fired for hurting a patron and generally being too aggressive with people. The former boss said something about him acting crazy. No question that he likes to put his hands on people. I don't think any of that was available to the jury. But everyone else knows it.


Says who exactly? Answer: a unknown source.


He's free to deny it. But in any case that doesnt make the arrests go away.. A famly friend has said that Zimmerman ""turned his life around". From what exactly? A fantasy made up by the press? This is all very different from your claim that he had no history of violence.



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15 Jul 2013, 5:34 pm

simon_says wrote:
Greb wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Greb wrote:
Zimmerman is a guy with no history of violence neither racism. Just the opposite.


Mis-information.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting an officer with violence" and "battery of a law enforcement officer." Both felonies considered third-degree. The charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.

In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence.

But you don't care about his history of violence, because he is your hero. You only care about their history of violence when the person is black.


He was also fired for hurting a patron and generally being too aggressive with people. The former boss said something about him acting crazy. No question that he likes to put his hands on people. I don't think any of that was available to the jury. But everyone else knows it.


Says who exactly? Answer: a unknown source.


He's free to deny it. But in any case that doesnt make the arrests go away.. A famly friend has said that Zimmerman ""turned his life around". From what exactly? A fantasy made up by the press? This is all very different from your claim that he had no history of violence.


He was fired. Fine, that's all we know for sure. And having laboral problems is not exactly the same league than dealing with drugs and carrying stolen goods.


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15 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

Greb wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Greb wrote:
Funny thing is Zimmerman is 'hispano'. Hispanos have been in US for a few decades, and they're starting to get their place in society, until the point of being included in the 'white' group, not in the 'inmigrant' one.


:lol::lmao: Hispanics have been in this country since before white people.


I'm pretty sure, to put it mildly, that he was being sarcastic with the "few decades" thing.


I was not being sarcastic. Here you have a chart:

Image

To compare, in the same period, 1850 until now, US population was increased 10 times.

Hispanic population 150 years ago was negligible. It doesn't start to be significant until the period between WWI and WWII. And the big growth started in 60s-70s.

So, Max000, if you need some more help with the history of your country, let me know :mrgreen:


:lmao: History FAIL.


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15 Jul 2013, 5:53 pm

Did you learn in the school to use words? Smiles are cool, but you should try to express some thoughts, instead of posting smiles and randoms maps.

Try it, you'll find it very helpful.


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15 Jul 2013, 6:04 pm

Sorry, I thought it was self-explanatory. Note: Spanish Florida on the map. Hispanics have been in Florida longer then anyone except the natives and by "natives" I do not mean white people.

BTW, you should look up the definition of the word "decade". You seem to be having some issues with it.



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15 Jul 2013, 6:36 pm

Yeap, you said it. Spanish Florida.

In case you still didn't get it, I will remark it: Spanish Florida.

Still didn't get it? Don't worry, I'm gonna make it even easier, specially for you. It's not Hispanic Florida, but Spanish Florida.

Get the idea?

You're welcome. :mrgreen:


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15 Jul 2013, 6:36 pm

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He was fired. Fine, that's all we know for sure. And having laboral problems is not exactly the same league than dealing with drugs and carrying stolen goods


No, we know more than that about Zimmerman. You just keep ignoring it. lol.



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16 Jul 2013, 12:41 am

Greb wrote:
Yeap, you said it. Spanish Florida.

In case you still didn't get it, I will remark it: Spanish Florida.

Still didn't get it? Don't worry, I'm gonna make it even easier, specially for you. It's not Hispanic Florida, but Spanish Florida.

Get the idea?

You're welcome. :mrgreen:

You are trying to have a history debate with a liberal that is like trying to talk to a grasshopper about quantum mechanics.