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18 Jan 2012, 8:37 pm

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I know how it is to deal with people just mocking me for my problems....it sucks and usually makes me feel like crap. I don't really understand why someone would go out of their way to mock someone for their difficulties. As if they can just simply not have those difficulties on a moments notice.


People mock for various reasons. Sometimes it's jealousy over a different matter (be it anything from good grades to having a certain friend), sometimes it's lack of understanding.

Other times it's just cruelty. Humans are bastards. As a race we have always enjoyed others suffering and always will, and many of us will take it upon ourselves to make other feel worse.


Well hmm I did not know the majority of humans enjoyed others suffering.


Maybe I'm just being stunned but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :lol:


no I actually did not think most humans enjoyed the suffering of others...for serious.


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18 Jan 2012, 8:39 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I know how it is to deal with people just mocking me for my problems....it sucks and usually makes me feel like crap. I don't really understand why someone would go out of their way to mock someone for their difficulties. As if they can just simply not have those difficulties on a moments notice.


People mock for various reasons. Sometimes it's jealousy over a different matter (be it anything from good grades to having a certain friend), sometimes it's lack of understanding.

Other times it's just cruelty. Humans are bastards. As a race we have always enjoyed others suffering and always will, and many of us will take it upon ourselves to make other feel worse.


Well hmm I did not know the majority of humans enjoyed others suffering.


Maybe I'm just being stunned but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :lol:


no I actually did not think most humans enjoyed the suffering of others...for serious.


Schadenfreude, joy in the suffering of others. When most people see someone doing worse for them, it makes them feel superior and therefore better about themselves.


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18 Jan 2012, 9:01 pm

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Schadenfreude, joy in the suffering of others. When most people see someone doing worse for them, it makes them feel superior and therefore better about themselves.


That is my hobby. I delight and rejoice in the downfall of my enemies.

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18 Jan 2012, 9:17 pm

abacacus wrote:
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I know how it is to deal with people just mocking me for my problems....it sucks and usually makes me feel like crap. I don't really understand why someone would go out of their way to mock someone for their difficulties. As if they can just simply not have those difficulties on a moments notice.


People mock for various reasons. Sometimes it's jealousy over a different matter (be it anything from good grades to having a certain friend), sometimes it's lack of understanding.

Other times it's just cruelty. Humans are bastards. As a race we have always enjoyed others suffering and always will, and many of us will take it upon ourselves to make other feel worse.


Well hmm I did not know the majority of humans enjoyed others suffering.


Maybe I'm just being stunned but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :lol:


no I actually did not think most humans enjoyed the suffering of others...for serious.


Schadenfreude, joy in the suffering of others. When most people see someone doing worse for them, it makes them feel superior and therefore better about themselves.


Well aren't humans great.


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18 Jan 2012, 9:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Schadenfreude, joy in the suffering of others. When most people see someone doing worse for them, it makes them feel superior and therefore better about themselves.


That is my hobby. I delight and rejoice in the downfall of my enemies.

ruveyn


Justify that outlandish claim in very concrete and specific terms. No generalities now!

Oh,.........SORRY, you do it most all the time.

Wait tell you meet Uncle GodBucks!! !

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18 Jan 2012, 9:25 pm

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I don't think it's complaining thats the problem, so much as it's constant complaining. When someone has a truly valid complaint, or a real problem, or is having a bad time, that's completely understandable. What becomes annoying is when someone constantly complains about every single thing and nothing is ever good or good enough, in fact it's horrible, they are out to get me, oh no, is when it starts getting on people's nerves.

Most people will sympathise with someone who occasionally complains. Everyone occasionally complains. It's the people who do it constantly that bother me. Nobody wants to be around that kind of negativity. When people constantly complain, then others back off and stay away from them, they see that as proof that they aren't liked so therefore their complaints are true, when in fact it's their constant complaining that drives others away.

Those kind of people, you can't even have a conversation with. If you tell them something good that happened to you, they just start about how "oh, that never happens to me, poor me, yaddah yaddah" instead of saying something nice. If you do something nice for them it becomes "Yeah well, you did this but I still don't have this or that or the other thing" and on and on. It drives people away. My mother is like this. Thats why nobody really goes to see her or does anything for her. Let her sit there and hate everyone and feel persecuted alone.


There are different kinds of complaining. I have no problem with people who need to vent honestly out of genuine distress. Then there's the less pleasant people who are bitter and take their negativity out on others. Then there's people who complain about trivial crap simply because there's nothing better to do. It's not about being genuinely distressed, it's just a social function based on shared negativity, like gossip.



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18 Jan 2012, 9:27 pm

ruveyn wrote:
abacacus wrote:

Schadenfreude, joy in the suffering of others. When most people see someone doing worse for them, it makes them feel superior and therefore better about themselves.


That is my hobby. I delight and rejoice in the downfall of my enemies.

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Do I want to know who your enemies are?



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18 Jan 2012, 9:29 pm

marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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Schadenfreude, joy in the suffering of others. When most people see someone doing worse for them, it makes them feel superior and therefore better about themselves.


That is my hobby. I delight and rejoice in the downfall of my enemies.

ruveyn


Do I want to know who your enemies are?


Its none of your business anyway.

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18 Jan 2012, 9:35 pm

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I don't think it's complaining thats the problem, so much as it's constant complaining. When someone has a truly valid complaint, or a real problem, or is having a bad time, that's completely understandable. What becomes annoying is when someone constantly complains about every single thing and nothing is ever good or good enough, in fact it's horrible, they are out to get me, oh no, is when it starts getting on people's nerves.

Most people will sympathise with someone who occasionally complains. Everyone occasionally complains. It's the people who do it constantly that bother me. Nobody wants to be around that kind of negativity. When people constantly complain, then others back off and stay away from them, they see that as proof that they aren't liked so therefore their complaints are true, when in fact it's their constant complaining that drives others away.

Those kind of people, you can't even have a conversation with. If you tell them something good that happened to you, they just start about how "oh, that never happens to me, poor me, yaddah yaddah" instead of saying something nice. If you do something nice for them it becomes "Yeah well, you did this but I still don't have this or that or the other thing" and on and on. It drives people away. My mother is like this. Thats why nobody really goes to see her or does anything for her. Let her sit there and hate everyone and feel persecuted alone.


What about when people complain about real problems which have existed for decades and still go unresolved, such as WHY THE HECK AREN'T WE ON MARS BY NOW? and such of that sort? We had the technology to go since the Saturn V was made, essentially, and the chemistry necessary to utilize the Martian atmosphere and hydrogen from the water in the regolith has been around since the 1800's. We don't need to sit around anymore, we can go there and yet we just don't.


We don't have an "enemy" like the Soviet Union to beat anymore. Maybe if China sends people to Mars the USA will be shamed into doing it. As it is most people seem to think it's a waste of money. It's only when something becomes a "necessary" waste of money do things get accomplished.



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18 Jan 2012, 9:41 pm

It would be a cataclysmic waste of money.

Sure we CAN do it, doesn't mean we should yet.


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18 Jan 2012, 10:36 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I don't think it's complaining thats the problem, so much as it's constant complaining. When someone has a truly valid complaint, or a real problem, or is having a bad time, that's completely understandable. What becomes annoying is when someone constantly complains about every single thing and nothing is ever good or good enough, in fact it's horrible, they are out to get me, oh no, is when it starts getting on people's nerves.

Most people will sympathise with someone who occasionally complains. Everyone occasionally complains. It's the people who do it constantly that bother me. Nobody wants to be around that kind of negativity. When people constantly complain, then others back off and stay away from them, they see that as proof that they aren't liked so therefore their complaints are true, when in fact it's their constant complaining that drives others away.

Those kind of people, you can't even have a conversation with. If you tell them something good that happened to you, they just start about how "oh, that never happens to me, poor me, yaddah yaddah" instead of saying something nice. If you do something nice for them it becomes "Yeah well, you did this but I still don't have this or that or the other thing" and on and on. It drives people away. My mother is like this. Thats why nobody really goes to see her or does anything for her. Let her sit there and hate everyone and feel persecuted alone.


X2, especially on the self fulfilling prophecy angle. My AS meetup group was actually formed because of a shared bad experience between me and the other founders of another meeting where two people would dominate the entire meeting with "woe is me" stories and even hijack other people's experiences to insert their own negative spin on them. It's very tough to deal with, and does tend to drive people physically away.


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18 Jan 2012, 11:45 pm

There are difficulties and difficulties.

Just saying... the suck it up quote you posted actually is appropriate in some cases. I have no idea of the context in which you received it. But sometimes a whiny really needs to hear that he should stop complaining and face his issues directly instead of making up excuses. Sometimes, that's the most helpful thing the complainer can get.

There are times in which the complaint is legitimate. But with time, I am starting to feel that they are the minority.


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18 Jan 2012, 11:50 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Schadenfreude, joy in the suffering of others. When most people see someone doing worse for them, it makes them feel superior and therefore better about themselves.


That is my hobby. I delight and rejoice in the downfall of my enemies.

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You and your enemies.

Are you aware that it makes your life sound really sad? As if you spent more time thinking about your enemies than you do thinking about your loved ones or than they do thinking about you.


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19 Jan 2012, 12:10 am

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There are difficulties and difficulties.

Just saying... the suck it up quote you posted actually is appropriate in some cases. I have no idea of the context in which you received it. But sometimes a whiny really needs to hear that he should stop complaining and face his issues directly instead of making up excuses. Sometimes, that's the most helpful thing the complainer can get.

There are times in which the complaint is legitimate. But with time, I am starting to feel that they are the minority.


Hmm maybe someone needs to write a legitimate complaints manual so no one expresses any non-legitimate complaints, now who gets to decide what complaints are legitimate and which ones aren't?


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19 Jan 2012, 12:14 am

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OliveOilMom wrote:
I don't think it's complaining thats the problem, so much as it's constant complaining. When someone has a truly valid complaint, or a real problem, or is having a bad time, that's completely understandable. What becomes annoying is when someone constantly complains about every single thing and nothing is ever good or good enough, in fact it's horrible, they are out to get me, oh no, is when it starts getting on people's nerves.

Most people will sympathise with someone who occasionally complains. Everyone occasionally complains. It's the people who do it constantly that bother me. Nobody wants to be around that kind of negativity. When people constantly complain, then others back off and stay away from them, they see that as proof that they aren't liked so therefore their complaints are true, when in fact it's their constant complaining that drives others away.

Those kind of people, you can't even have a conversation with. If you tell them something good that happened to you, they just start about how "oh, that never happens to me, poor me, yaddah yaddah" instead of saying something nice. If you do something nice for them it becomes "Yeah well, you did this but I still don't have this or that or the other thing" and on and on. It drives people away. My mother is like this. Thats why nobody really goes to see her or does anything for her. Let her sit there and hate everyone and feel persecuted alone.


X2, especially on the self fulfilling prophecy angle. My AS meetup group was actually formed because of a shared bad experience between me and the other founders of another meeting where two people would dominate the entire meeting with "woe is me" stories and even hijack other people's experiences to insert their own negative spin on them. It's very tough to deal with, and does tend to drive people physically away.


Hi Dox47,

People go to AS meetups to learn how to avoid people with "negative" AS instead of "positive" AS?

Both are distinguishing criteria used to characterize AS in social interactions, and are under the "disorder", which to the general population, are both a "negative" for social interactions.

Next, the DSM-VI will have to consider purely Psychogenic Autism Spectrum Disorders again, but then under Conversion Disorders for manipulated social interactions with motive ("self-fulfilling prophecy" necessitates the "psychogenic", and a different approach to professional recommendations).

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19 Jan 2012, 10:13 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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There are difficulties and difficulties.

Just saying... the suck it up quote you posted actually is appropriate in some cases. I have no idea of the context in which you received it. But sometimes a whiny really needs to hear that he should stop complaining and face his issues directly instead of making up excuses. Sometimes, that's the most helpful thing the complainer can get.

There are times in which the complaint is legitimate. But with time, I am starting to feel that they are the minority.


Hmm maybe someone needs to write a legitimate complaints manual so no one expresses any non-legitimate complaints, now who gets to decide what complaints are legitimate and which ones aren't?

Why should someone write a legitimate complaints manual? Actually, let me change my stance, complainers ALWAYS deserve to deal with someone that tells the to suck it up. Even if the complain is legitimate. If the complain is legitimate, then that someone else is telling them to suck it up is the least of their problems, and will help them figure out when to and when not to fall into a loop of whining.


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