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I think they were mad about a troll shortage, but that drought seems to have ended.

Kurgan - I take it you do not have a counter argument to this.

Right now Israel is heading into troubles, because of the issues of the leftwingers and religious rightwingers. While the first mentioned are mostly into discussions with palestinians, they are loosing more and more ground to the rightwingers, because of their religious caused larger getting population. While these religious rightwingers insist on seeking war with the palestinians because of what stood in some 3.000 year old books, and some of them use an hate language that is comparable to the Nazis. On the other side, because of the conflicts they caused they insist on israelian citizens being forced to join military for two years - but only if you are moderate, because an truly religious jew is forced to study the Thora instead.

So in the end, they insist on breaking the contracts israels did with the palestinians, settling illegal on palestinian ground, causing conflicts, are against peace-negotiations because of some nonsense that stood in some nonsense book, while leftwingers are forced to go onto military and fight their battles, while the conservatives meanwhile drink their coffees and follow their holy duty to talk religious nonsense, while the others are dying because of them. Oh, and they are spitting and threaten little girls, that dare to walk on the same side of the street, which seems to be forbidden to Thora. And they threaten physical and injure religious jews, that say themselves that its absolutely awful to either insist on seeking conflict, and then to avoid that conflicts by using religion as excuse, and that decided to volunteer for military, instead of sitting on their ass, drink coffee, talk about Thora and let others die for their believes.

I dont think my post is antisemitic, I think its only anti "religious hardliners, causing conflicts by pointing on an holy book, but then let cowardly their moderate brothers and sisters go to military and solve that conflicts, the religious caused by pointing on an holy book and ignoring contracts of their own country. Beside threatening their own religious people when they dare to say themselves, that this kind of acting simply is a No-go and that want to decide themselves that they want to have the guts to fight at least themselves for their believes, and not let others do that."

There are simply weird hardliners on both side of that borders, that are causing conflicts and this endless war for the much bigger number of moderate people on both sides of the border. And you wont solve the problem, by focusing on only one party of hardliners, you need to focus on both of them. Right now it sadly seems as Israel will become slowly lost to the moderate israel people, because of the hardliners people great birth numbers.

Out of that, when one day on both sides hardliners are ruling, I fear this will lead to a bigger war again, that will maybe involve the USA, as partners of the Isrealis and on the other side involve as well other countries again as partners of the enemy of the israelis. In the end I fear it will end, because of all of that contracts and pacts between diferent nations to a broader war only some hundred kilometers from the boarders of my country away.

Sorry, if you, living thousend of kilometers away, feel disturbed by trying to prevent a third world war breaking out in our neighborhood, because of some religious hardliners of different religions. So it feels troubling for us if moderate israelis are loosing ground to israelian hardliners, saying stuff like: "The palestinian problem should be ended, by forcing them to move away and wiping the ones out, that refuse to do so." Pointing on religious textes, where this is explained as the will of god. Because if only one side wants war, you can try to prevent that by helping the other side to be too strong. But if both sides wants war, what the hell do you want to do to prevent that? Creating an huge UNO-zone in complete Israel and Palestina? O_o Go there with a white flag and tell both hardliners, that both their books are only a mix of ancient story tellings, that dont excuse a war, that maybe will involve lots of other countries?

Loosing the moderate Isrealis means loosing the one side, that were able to push negotiations. Thats why we feel troubled by that.

Correct. I haven't.



We're absolutely dying to know.

-You lecture about straw men in these threads while you consider right winger threads satire

My God, pull your skirts up you hypocrites. I see a lot of you you can dish it out in right winger threads but can't take it when it's coming your way.

I didn't get what you meant by this, but Israel is advanced in more than just war technology (most of which is developed outside of Israel). For example, the people of Israel live longer than people from most European countries.

Yes, but neo-nazis openly advertise themselves as antisemitic and don't claim otherwise. Liberals, on the other hand, continually screech against hate and intolerance.

I hope this is a little clearer now. I think you will find the long average life span is due to diet and high quality health care.

Which liberals attack Jews while preaching against hate and intolerance? Bear in mind, I am not a liberal - whether an economic liberal (a capitalist) or a political liberal (a progressive).

However, I am pleased you conceded my point. Antisemitism is rooted in certain segments of the far right. It is a rare position among progressives.

What you are referring to is anti-Zionism, not antisemitism. Some Christian evangelicals interpret any pro-Palestinian sentiments as antisemitism.

Jewry itself has always been divided on the issue of Zionism. Many Orthodox Jews opposed Israel from the beginning. Most secular Jews, including the majority of Israeli Jews (who are secular), support a two-state solution, which is strangely regarded by some conservative evangelicals as antisemitism.

/\ I've discussed it in the previous pages of this thread. To briefly reiterate; I'm talking about how common it is for liberals to criticize Israel's handling of their conflict with the Palestinians without regards to Israel's precarious situation, being located in the region that they are and Israel being 75% Jewish. If I have to go any deeper into this it will exceed the boundaries of my 5th grade log schoolhouse education.

Are some progressives (political liberals) anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian? Yes.

Are some conservatives anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian? Yes.

Some Israeli Jews are also anti-Zionist, and many of those people have left Israel in protest. That does not make them antisemitic.

My sibling (she/he prefers that I not identify her/his gender), a secular Jew, despises Israel. She/he does not despise Jews or Judaism.

Conservatives, unlike liberals, don't get up on soap boxes and screech endlessly about equality and diversity, either.


I can guess why and it goes back to what I and others have been saying in this thread and others.

I think it should be brought up that those on the right today who claim to be so Pro-Israel are evangelicals who believe strongly in an apocalyptic theology that teaches that the New Testament kingdom of Israel is still ethnically Jewish, and that Christ will one day return to earth to rule from Jerusalem. Thus, they are supporters of Israel primarily because they think they'll get something from God in his Millennial rule of earth.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Ipad, actually. Not totally against either, just would like some regulation.


no, no, no.

Most liberals these days drive priuses or, like me, itty-bitty econo-boxes that get 40 mpg.


yes and no. Most of the liberals I know are in favor of physician-assisted suicide.


no. I dislike all religion because it all eventually leads to the extremism that justifies terrorism.

That's a right-wing thing, actually. Liberals generally like civilization and government, whether they're on welfare or not.

Don't know anyone like that, sorry.

yes, they should pay more taxes and have their student loans forgiven. The guy who's sweeping at KFC shouldn't have to pay more in taxes because it would probably mean that he'd lose his home, even assuming that he can afford one as it is.


no


Three different animals. Holocaust denial is basically limited to neo-nazis; anti-semitism is global (the US has more Jews than any other country); anti-zionism is opposition to the policies and theocratic ideals of the nation of Israel.


This one's bi-partisan; the difference is who you believe did it. Liberal conspiracists believe it was a false-flag operation by Bush II et. all in order to justify a new global war; conservative conspiracists believe liberals let the bombers in out of sympathy for Islamic extremists and a desire to eliminate the banking power structure.


Or terribly uneducated. Or crazy. Yes


no and no.

yes

You know, it's possible for criticism of leftism to be hilariously funny (for example, 'Portlandia,' and 'Stuff White People Like,' as well as the occasional Colbert or Stewart jab), but this is full of bitter fail.

Have you ever actually known any conservatives?
This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but out of respect and admiration of Israel's iron will to survive in such a hostile region. I guess typical liberal one-sided pacifism prevents your kind from seeing it that way.
Yes, I've known many liberals.