27 Aug 2014, 3:55 pm
yournamehere wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
Ectryon wrote:
yournamehere wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Wound hurt my feelings any if they legalized pot and/or just dropped the war on drugs all together. Realistically, I can't see the war on drugs in general going away since there are too many empire$ that have been built on and around it. Legalizing weed alone for personal use does seem tenable, though.....
Oddly enough, the war on drugs, whether meant to be or not is actually a scapegoat. The percentage of drug users has never changed at all from the time when it was all legal, and Coca-Cola was good. A had a friend that just recently died from an overdose of perscription meds. Most drugs for people actually might as well be a placebo. The real users are going to find a way to get a fix regardless of anything. It is the natural way of things for some people. O.k. ALOT of people. Cannabinoids being the only one I have heard of that is impossible to overdose on. Due to the fact that there is up to 32 different ones in any one dose. If there is too many, one cancelles itself out from the other. People don't die from canniboid overdoses. To even put cannibinoids in the OP with overdosed meds is a conundrum. Or a farse.
I agree that its a scapegoat. Alot of politicians are also not willing to sacrifice their position by suggesting legalisation. I wonder whether legalisation is more profitable for the government than prohibition. Prohibition seems to be all loss financially.
" I wonder whether legalisation is more profitable for the government than prohibition."
It certainly is more profitable for the prison guards union. They contribute vast sums of money, far more than anyone else, and back much legislation designed to send more and more people to prison AND to keep them there for a longer time. It puts money directly in the union's (and guard's) pockets. Talk about a conflict of interest.
I have a prison guard for a neighbor. He wants it legal just like most everyone who knows what is going on. It is not a problem. It is the best drug out there for a habitual drug user. What I mean by drug user is something like this. Ever notice that a smoker can be in prison for 15 years. Completely away from the drug nicotine. The first thing he craves when he gets out is nicotine, and he lights up. It is NOT the drug. It is the person. These things cannot be made to change. You take away all the drugs in the world, people will resort to things under the kitchen sink. They will make their own. This war on drugs. This definition of drugs is a corruption of human society. A complete conundrum. A riddle. It is a waste. An un-understandable truth created by the ones who believe they are drug free. They lie to themselves, and believe they are better than others while they stand idly by in a balroom full of friends drinking alcohol, and smoking cigars. It is sick.
If the drug habit is dependent on the person who can't resist drugs, how would you classify such a person?
Are they born with a physical dependency? Possibly an addicted mother?
Or do you believe this is part of their mental makeup and years of reinforcement? I do not say "criminal reinforcement" because all addicts are not criminals.
I am unable to mentally link your ideas with any common disease or condition which is not available for treatment. I doubt there is "anything" not subject to change.
P.S. I smoked (like a chimney) 2 packs a day)until the age of 40
but do not feel like your "prisoner" example.
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27 Aug 2014, 4:25 pm
ZenDen wrote:
yournamehere wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
Ectryon wrote:
yournamehere wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Wound hurt my feelings any if they legalized pot and/or just dropped the war on drugs all together. Realistically, I can't see the war on drugs in general going away since there are too many empire$ that have been built on and around it. Legalizing weed alone for personal use does seem tenable, though.....
Oddly enough, the war on drugs, whether meant to be or not is actually a scapegoat. The percentage of drug users has never changed at all from the time when it was all legal, and Coca-Cola was good. A had a friend that just recently died from an overdose of perscription meds. Most drugs for people actually might as well be a placebo. The real users are going to find a way to get a fix regardless of anything. It is the natural way of things for some people. O.k. ALOT of people. Cannabinoids being the only one I have heard of that is impossible to overdose on. Due to the fact that there is up to 32 different ones in any one dose. If there is too many, one cancelles itself out from the other. People don't die from canniboid overdoses. To even put cannibinoids in the OP with overdosed meds is a conundrum. Or a farse.
I agree that its a scapegoat. Alot of politicians are also not willing to sacrifice their position by suggesting legalisation. I wonder whether legalisation is more profitable for the government than prohibition. Prohibition seems to be all loss financially.
" I wonder whether legalisation is more profitable for the government than prohibition."
It certainly is more profitable for the prison guards union. They contribute vast sums of money, far more than anyone else, and back much legislation designed to send more and more people to prison AND to keep them there for a longer time. It puts money directly in the union's (and guard's) pockets. Talk about a conflict of interest.
I have a prison guard for a neighbor. He wants it legal just like most everyone who knows what is going on. It is not a problem. It is the best drug out there for a habitual drug user. What I mean by drug user is something like this. Ever notice that a smoker can be in prison for 15 years. Completely away from the drug nicotine. The first thing he craves when he gets out is nicotine, and he lights up. It is NOT the drug. It is the person. These things cannot be made to change. You take away all the drugs in the world, people will resort to things under the kitchen sink. They will make their own. This war on drugs. This definition of drugs is a corruption of human society. A complete conundrum. A riddle. It is a waste. An un-understandable truth created by the ones who believe they are drug free. They lie to themselves, and believe they are better than others while they stand idly by in a balroom full of friends drinking alcohol, and smoking cigars. It is sick.
If the drug habit is dependent on the person who can't resist drugs, how would you classify such a person?
Are they born with a physical dependency? Possibly an addicted mother?
Or do you believe this is part of their mental makeup and years of reinforcement? I do not say "criminal reinforcement" because all addicts are not criminals.
I am unable to mentally link your ideas with any common disease or condition which is not available for treatment. I doubt there is "anything" not subject to change.
P.S. I smoked (like a chimney) 2 packs a day)until the age of 40
but do not feel like your "prisoner" example.You may not like the sound of this, but I would classify a person who cannot resist drugs as a human being. It is an essential part of our genetic makeup to not just need, but to invent, explore, open the mind to the unknown, and share those experiences.
In a positive nature, I do not believe there is a need to have a treatment, or call it a disease, or a condition. It just is.
You chose to quit. I did the same. I wanted to. I commanded it. There are many reasons why people are, or become dependant. Some are natural, some are not. Some are recreational. Shamans have been doing it for over 15,000 years. Possibly forever. In this respect, it is not bad. It can be enlightening. My neurological disorder led me to drug use for a long time. No different from perscription medication in my book. Reality was a difficult thing for me to deal with for a very long time. I had no legal support stucture. In many ways I am thankful for that. I was also a victim of narcissistic abuse. I'm sure that had something to do with it too. I know, or have known people who are just in what I like to call self destruct drug use. It never ends for them, and you cannot make it stop. They have to want to. Trying to get them out of it usually has negative effects. Most I know turn to legal alcohol. A nasty chronic addiction.
Hope this answers something for you?
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27 Aug 2014, 4:27 pm
Ectryon wrote:
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I've heard success stories of Doctors using entheogenic substances to treat opioid addictions, or of people using marijuana to help them overcome their own opioid addictions.
I watched a documentary a while back about a Doctor in British Columbia who was using ayahuasca to help treat people with drug/alcohol addictions and he was quite successful. Unfortunately the government made him stop because it wasn't an approved treatment, obviously, even though I don't think ayahuasca is technically illegal here. I'm not sure how they could make something like DMT illegal, since it pretty much exists inside every living thing, but that's how we roll I guess.
I watched a documentary a while back about a Doctor in British Columbia who was using ayahuasca to help treat people with drug/alcohol addictions and he was quite successful. Unfortunately the government made him stop because it wasn't an approved treatment, obviously, even though I don't think ayahuasca is technically illegal here. I'm not sure how they could make something like DMT illegal, since it pretty much exists inside every living thing, but that's how we roll I guess.
Psychedelics really shouldnt be illegal. Theyre not addictive for the vast majority of people (correct me if im wrong) andtheyre pretty much harmless. I know there is alot of crossover though. Isn't ketamine considered a psychedelic? Ive heard of people injecting the stuff.
which would lead me to conclude that it is somewhat addictive. I really think that legalisation is the only way to go. The only alternative is forcing people to submit to urine tests at random and imprisoning users. How successful do you think that would be ?
Why would something being inject-able make it addictive? from my understanding it can make effects work quicker/stronger....therefore I can think of some senerios having nothing to do with addiction where that aspect might be appealing. For instance if someone is in extreme pain due to an injury in a hospital should they really give the person a pill that take a while to kick in or inject them with something for more immediate effects?
I've also heard of people injecting LSD, well someone told me they did and it just made the trip come on quicker and more intense, whereas usually it takes a half hour to an hour to start experiencing the effects. And pretty sure LSD is not addictive....
Lol they could just build a gigantic prison that takes up a couple whole states and send all the drug users, drug addicts and anyone who's even thought of using a drug and stick them there.....but not so sure the public would stand for that.
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27 Aug 2014, 11:18 pm
Ectryon wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
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You probably could inject cannibinoids or THC. If they have nasal sprays and brownies I dont see why an IM/IV form wouldn't work.
They've done research where they've injected THC into malignant tumours to shrink them so I would imagine that is possible, although I'm not sure what one would do to make it into an inject-able form.
I wonder how long it will be before hardcore stoners start doing this... that'll demonise cannabis
I think hardcore stoners would laugh at the idea....knowing that for one its entirely unnecessary, if you really need a 'rush' just take a big ass bong or steam roller hit that'll hit you like a train(in a good way of course
) even sprinkle some hash in if desired. Besides I'd think a hardcore stoner would know the plant as a whole works best, not isolated THC.
I do not think there is any way to make cannabis as a whole into an inject-able form, to my knowledge you cannot really inject plant matter...even the hash oil that's almost liquid would likely be far to thick and potentially lead to death by clogging blood veins, so I just don't see it happening.
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