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13 Feb 2015, 8:09 pm

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It seems like "My Aspie" in this context is somewhat equivalent to "my coolie" or "my n-word."


seems like everyone lunatic/serial killer type is suspected of having AS, so it would be a negative

Presently, in the US, people are getting to see the new tv series 'The Jinx' tells the story of Robert Durst, suspected serial killed, and diagnosed with AS



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13 Feb 2015, 8:12 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
It seems like "My Aspie" in this context is somewhat equivalent to "my coolie" or "my n-word."


seems like everyone lunatic/serial killer type is suspected of having AS, so it would be a negative

Presently, in the US, people are getting to see the new tv series 'The Jinx' tells the story of Robert Durst, suspected serial killed, and diagnosed with AS



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13 Feb 2015, 8:14 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
It seems like "My Aspie" in this context is somewhat equivalent to "my coolie" or "my n-word."


it seems like everyone lunatic/serial killer type is suspected of having AS, so it would be a negative

Presently, in the US, people are getting to see the new tv series 'The Jinx' tells the story of Robert Durst, suspected serial killed, and diagnosed with AS



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13 Feb 2015, 8:17 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
It seems like "My Aspie" in this context is somewhat equivalent to "my coolie" or "my n-word."


it seems like everyone lunatic/serial killer type is suspected of having AS, so it would be a negative

Presently, in the US, people are getting to see the new tv series 'The Jinx' tells the story of Robert Durst, suspected serial killer, and diagnosed with AS



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13 Feb 2015, 9:31 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:
It seems like "My Aspie" in this context is somewhat equivalent to "my coolie" or "my n-word."


it seems like everyone lunatic/serial killer type is suspected of having AS, so it would be a negative

Presently, in the US, people are getting to see the new tv series 'The Jinx' tells the story of Robert Durst, suspected serial killer, and diagnosed with AS


I have wonder how many serial killers and other psychopaths are real Aspies, and how many just make the claim after the fact in order to elicit sympathy. Or how many psychologists who diagnose them with Asperger's after said psychopaths' arrests have a diagnosis ready made to explain their actions.


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14 Feb 2015, 6:33 am

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I have wonder how many serial killers and other psychopaths are real Aspies, and how many just make the claim after the fact in order to elicit sympathy. Or how many psychologists who diagnose them with Asperger's after said psychopaths' arrests have a diagnosis ready made to explain their actions.


It is actually pretty rare for serial killers to solicit sympathy or require it. There are some pathologies which might fit, but generally speaking not.

More common is notoriety, sometimes the will deny anything to do with it, but it is rare to play the sympathy card becuase they don't tend to feel bad about it. You could say they have a sympathy deficit. They get little giving or receiving sympathy. The exception is a specific type of narcissism, where they use sympathy for attention. Often this could be people who fake or induce medical conditions in themselves, or other people.

Usually these 'angel of death' people who are prolific serial killers such as Harold Shipman or Beverley Allitt.

They may enjoy the attention they get around the deaths. In the case Harold Shipman I think he was obsessed with the transition between life an death.

The bad forgery, may have been an attempt to get some kind of credit. However this is not really that clear. When he killed himself this is not becuase he was sorry, becuase he never would be able to get the high

The word serial killer is overused, and people other mean something else like spree killer. I would say that is sometimes associated with people on the spectrum, but so is a whole load of other things. Spree killers could not be more different then serial killers

Beverley Allitt definitely fits the description of someone who tried to solicit sympathy. She used to turn up to school with bandages, and when she was a nurse she was constantly talking about her aliments. She lied about her boyfriend having AIDS, etc.



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14 Feb 2015, 7:56 am

Political correctness is mental poison.

Why it started is foggy at best, but it's an ideology drummed into people from multiple angles (I had "inclusive language" requirements in college papers). This only makes people afraid to speak plain truth for fear of offending others when there is no right to NOT be offended.



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14 Feb 2015, 11:20 am

I think it's the other way around. Over sensitive people cause things to be PC. How far can we go to not offend someone? Things will always offend people. It could be the color purple or the pictures of the World Trade Center. Certain jokes have been banned which is stupid IMO, the Disney Company cut a song out of one of their movies one of their villains sang and it was his own version of Home on the Range. Really they are ruining things for us and I am not talking about not being able to call people names or use slur words or not being able to be mean.

BTW I prefer the term Native American and it has nothing to do with political correctness. Indian is a person who is from India so it makes it less confusing.


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14 Feb 2015, 1:46 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
It seems like "My Aspie" in this context is somewhat equivalent to "my coolie" or "my n-word."


it seems like everyone lunatic/serial killer type is suspected of having AS, so it would be a negative

Presently, in the US, people are getting to see the new tv series 'The Jinx' tells the story of Robert Durst, suspected serial killer, and diagnosed with AS


Someone should fix that quote. Kraftie said it. Not me! Lol!



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14 Feb 2015, 1:58 pm

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I have wonder how many serial killers and other psychopaths are real Aspies, and how many just make the claim after the fact in order to elicit sympathy. Or how many psychologists who diagnose them with Asperger's after said psychopaths' arrests have a diagnosis ready made to explain their actions.


It is actually pretty rare for serial killers to solicit sympathy or require it. There are some pathologies which might fit, but generally speaking not.

More common is notoriety, sometimes the will deny anything to do with it, but it is rare to play the sympathy card becuase they don't tend to feel bad about it. You could say they have a sympathy deficit. They get little giving or receiving sympathy. The exception is a specific type of narcissism, where they use sympathy for attention. Often this could be people who fake or induce medical conditions in themselves, or other people.

Usually these 'angel of death' people who are prolific serial killers such as Harold Shipman or Beverley Allitt.

They may enjoy the attention they get around the deaths. In the case Harold Shipman I think he was obsessed with the transition between life an death.

The bad forgery, may have been an attempt to get some kind of credit. However this is not really that clear. When he killed himself this is not becuase he was sorry, becuase he never would be able to get the high

The word serial killer is overused, and people other mean something else like spree killer. I would say that is sometimes associated with people on the spectrum, but so is a whole load of other things. Spree killers could not be more different then serial killers

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Well...their LAWYERS might be the ones pulling aspergers out of the hat as a gambit to soften the wrath of the law on their clients in a bid for legal "sympathy".

But you're right about terminology. The recent batch of killers (like Adam Lanza) who are alledged to be AS are not actually "serial killers", but are more properly: "mass murderers", or "spree killers".

If you publicly kill 20 people all at once-youre a spree killer. If you secretly stalk and kill 20 people one at a time over a year then you're a serial killer. Similiar body counts, but usually very different psychology.



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14 Feb 2015, 2:07 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

Someone should fix that quote. Kraftie said it. Not me! Lol!


Sorry, the website was having problems, I thought it was my browser. I cannot change it now. I mistakenly triple posted too.



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14 Feb 2015, 2:31 pm

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Well...their LAWYERS might be the ones pulling aspergers out of the hat as a gambit to soften the wrath of the law on their clients in a bid for legal "sympathy".


For Durst, the attorney blames all "strange" behavior on AS, saying that AS causes people to act inappropriately when under stress ...

"Why did a rich guy end up in Galveston wearing a wig, masquerading as a woman, and hiding from the world," asks Ramsey, Durst's attorney. 'Well, we have an answer for that. It's a complex answer. It has to do with a psychological disorder.'"

According to Altschuler, it's a psychological disorder that helps to explain why Durst panicked and chopped up Black's body in the Texas murder case.

Altschuler says the disorder is called Asperger's syndrome, the rare form of autism that he says makes Durst act inappropriately in stressful situations.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mystery-of- ... 5-03-2004/



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14 Feb 2015, 2:54 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:

Well...their LAWYERS might be the ones pulling aspergers out of the hat as a gambit to soften the wrath of the law on their clients in a bid for legal "sympathy".


For Durst, the attorney blames all "strange" behavior on AS, saying that AS causes people to act inappropriately when under stress ...

"Why did a rich guy end up in Galveston wearing a wig, masquerading as a woman, and hiding from the world," asks Ramsey, Durst's attorney. 'Well, we have an answer for that. It's a complex answer. It has to do with a psychological disorder.'"

According to Altschuler, it's a psychological disorder that helps to explain why Durst panicked and chopped up Black's body in the Texas murder case.

Altschuler says the disorder is called Asperger's syndrome, the rare form of autism that he says makes Durst act inappropriately in stressful situations.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mystery-of- ... 5-03-2004/


I really wish lawyers would stop using the "Asperger's defense" to explain away psychotic acts, as it makes the rest of the world think we real Aspies are capable of doing the same.


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14 Feb 2015, 3:54 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:

Well...their LAWYERS might be the ones pulling aspergers out of the hat as a gambit to soften the wrath of the law on their clients in a bid for legal "sympathy".


For Durst, the attorney blames all "strange" behavior on AS, saying that AS causes people to act inappropriately when under stress ...

"Why did a rich guy end up in Galveston wearing a wig, masquerading as a woman, and hiding from the world," asks Ramsey, Durst's attorney. 'Well, we have an answer for that. It's a complex answer. It has to do with a psychological disorder.'"

According to Altschuler, it's a psychological disorder that helps to explain why Durst panicked and chopped up Black's body in the Texas murder case.

Altschuler says the disorder is called Asperger's syndrome, the rare form of autism that he says makes Durst act inappropriately in stressful situations.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mystery-of- ... 5-03-2004/


Gosh!

What a story! Never heard of this guy before. This could inspire a whole season of Law and Order episodes.

About the trial for the murder of Mr.Black: the jury actually bought THAT defense?

An innocent aspie would just happened to act just like a guilty neurotypical... and chop up the body of a person who just 'accidently' died in their home-and then the innocent aspie would then don a disguise and drive 2000 miles to dump the body in the harbor? And the innocent aspie would do all of this because he just can't help "behaving innapropriately"?

If you're guilty of murdering the guy- it sounds like that would be very "appropriate" behavior to me!

What kinda crap is that?

If the jury had been composed of real aspies I doubt that defense would fly. And he would fry. Not that its impossible that he might really be an aspie, but that aspergers wouldnt cause an innocent person to do all of that.



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14 Feb 2015, 11:21 pm

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I hate PC.
I think it is considered a type of un-PC to hate PC.


Nonsense.

The current fad is the other way around. Its un-PC to be PC.

Its offensive to some to be sensitive to others.

I sometimes have to apologize for seeming to be PC when I am NOT being PC!

But to answer the question in the title of thread- Its chicken-or-egg.

There are two kinds of prudery.

There is the old kind of prudery: about sex, blasphemy, vice ("in olden times a glimpse of stocking was looked upon as something shocking. But now, heaven knows, anything goes" to quote Cole Porter).

And there is the new kind of prudery: about offending minorities. The new kind of prudery is labeled "PC".

Society just evolved. The old kind of prudery began decline in pop culture in the late Sixties, and the new kind kicked in slightly after that in the Seventies. Mel Brooks' comedy "Blazing Saddles" is an interesting piece of in between era cinema that was free of both kinds of prudery. I guess as folks get less hung up about one thing, they get more hung up about something else. Its just the way it is.


People on wp have said that it is wrong to hate PC and complain about PC, so I think they consider it unPC to hate PC.


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16 Feb 2015, 5:43 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I hate PC.
I think it is considered a type of un-PC to hate PC.


So, if you don't agree with PC, you're un-PC. If you're not PC, you're un-PC. This is pretty much a tautology.

naturalplastic wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I hate PC.
I think it is considered a type of un-PC to hate PC.

Nonsense.
The current fad is the other way around. Its un-PC to be PC.


Then it would perhaps make more sense to say it is "fashionable" to knock PC.

Many people who pride themselves on being un-PC are only mildly so because they really agree with PC's core agenda, whether they know it or not.

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There are two kinds of prudery.
There is the old kind of prudery: about sex, blasphemy, vice ("in olden times a glimpse of stocking was looked upon as something shocking. But now, heaven knows, anything goes" to quote Cole Porter).
And there is the new kind of prudery: about offending minorities. The new kind of prudery is labeled "PC".
Society just evolved.


Taboos don't just get knocked down and replaced with new ones at random.

If PC is about protecting "minorities", perhaps PC is being driven by minorities, or one minority in particular.
In fact, the reference to minorities still masks what PC is about. (Women are not a minority, but it's far more PC to express concern with their plight than with the plight of, say, white South Africans.)

I'll spell it out. PC is an attack on white society spearheaded by Jews.

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The old kind of prudery began decline in pop culture in the late Sixties, and the new kind kicked in slightly after that in the Seventies. Mel Brooks' comedy "Blazing Saddles" is an interesting piece of in between era cinema that was free of both kinds of prudery. I guess as folks get less hung up about one thing, they get more hung up about something else. Its just the way it is.


There was nothing un-PC about Blazing Saddles. It was a case of a Jewish director lampooning a symbol of white popular culture (the Western) as well as displaying supposed solidarity with the historical adversaries of the Old West's white settlers (blacks and Indians) - see the scene where the Indian chief starts speaking Yiddish!

Of course, if you want to see how Jews treat minorities when they are in the majority, we can just look at Israel. I see Mel Brooks never made a movie lampooning the founding myths of that country.