Castro has finally joined Che, Mao, Stalin, & Lenin in Hell

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28 Nov 2016, 6:15 am

Man...why they always live that long?



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28 Nov 2016, 6:17 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Man...why they always live that long?

some would say that he was just too cussed to die. [American expression]. but I think he wanted to live long enough to see the USA finally start to abandon some of its bloodymindedness towards his nation.



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28 Nov 2016, 6:23 am

It's funny how Communists always claim that Communism is 'good on paper' but it was always wrongly applied.

Umm...they remind me of pro-Sharia 'moderate' muslims.



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28 Nov 2016, 9:12 am

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Young people who read wikipedia articles. Really? Did you read the rest of what I wrote? I made it quite clear I was referring to the opinions of people who actually lived in Cuba under Castro. It's not my fault if the only perspective you look at are that of Americans.


The man had his own citizens killed by firing squad, put homosexuals in concentration camps, controlled the media directly, held thousands of political prisoners and lived like a millionaire playboy whilst his people struggled to exist on the equivalent of $20 a month. These are all independently verifiable - in many cases through direct quotes from the man himself.

Where are you getting your own information? Michael Moore?



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28 Nov 2016, 9:28 am

Cubans, in general, really did not live all that well under Castro.

Why do you think many risked their lives on rickety rafts to get to the US?



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28 Nov 2016, 10:15 am

What Trudeau had to say about Castro has made me look at him differently. Before I just saw him as a very creepy, pathetic wormlike joke of a man. Now I'm starting to look at him as malevolent.

I am aware of Canada's relationship to Cuba and the fact Fidel's boy is now running the show over there, but Trudeau talks as if one of the greats of modern history has died. Far over what would have been needed not to rock the boat with Cuba. I think the worst parts of it are him saying he felt deep sorrow and then the audacity, the unmitigated gall, to claim his voice is the voice of all Canadians on this subject. How dare he.



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28 Nov 2016, 10:21 am

Fidel Castro’s Horrific Record on Gay Rights

Concentration camps for gays. Political prisons where they were treated like ‘beasts.’ Listen up, liberals: Before you go celebrating the life of Castro, remember his victims.

Fidel Castro was many things: a revolutionary, a communist, a garrulous orator. Amid the fawning encomia released upon his long-overdue death at the age of 90, it should never be forgotten that he was also an oppressor, torturer, and murderer of gay people.


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28 Nov 2016, 10:33 am

Oh my... :lol:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/trudeaueulogies

I guess I'm late to the party with seeing these "Trudeau Euologies", but if you haven't, do have a look. Brilliant and hilarious! :D



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28 Nov 2016, 1:43 pm

Communist countries are structured as people's or democratic republics, the difference between a democrat and republican being akin to the difference between Trotsky and Stalin. The words, partisan or republican are interchangeable with Communist.

The Communists have borrowed from us, the concept of social experiment, and dialectics, and credit us with spearheading the global movement, against monarchy. They believe the torch was passed to them.



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28 Nov 2016, 2:35 pm

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Cubans, in general, really did not live all that well under Castro.

Why do you think many risked their lives on rickety rafts to get to the US?


They didn't live very well under Batista, either. From one tyrant to another.

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They believe the torch was passed to them.


Give it, already! You're setting everything on fire. :lol:


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28 Nov 2016, 2:40 pm

In a sense, Batista was worse than Castro--Batista's was a more "conventional" dictatorship of the time.

Castro did educate his people better, and provided better medical care; but the overall standard of living, probably, was even worse under him than under Batista.

As I think about it, the "elites" always had it good in Cuba--under both of them. The "elites" were composed of different sorts of people for each, that's all.



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28 Nov 2016, 2:44 pm

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In a sense, Batista was worse than Castro--Batista's was a more "conventional" dictatorship of the time.

Castro did educate his people better, and provided better medical care; but the overall standard of living, probably, was even worse under him than under Batista.

As I think about it, the "elites" always had it good in Cuba--under both of them. The "elites" were composed of different sorts of people for each, that's all.


That's a pretty fair assessment. Castro certainly provided some better services, but his "Socialism" was a failure. Some of this is due to genuine counter-revolutionary forces (primarily the US) but much of the blame rests squarely on his shoulders, and there can be no question he was a dictator.


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28 Nov 2016, 2:53 pm

I bet him and Hitler are getting along just well.


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28 Nov 2016, 2:55 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Young people who read wikipedia articles. Really? Did you read the rest of what I wrote? I made it quite clear I was referring to the opinions of people who actually lived in Cuba under Castro. It's not my fault if the only perspective you look at are that of Americans.


The man had his own citizens killed by firing squad, put homosexuals in concentration camps, controlled the media directly, held thousands of political prisoners and lived like a millionaire playboy whilst his people struggled to exist on the equivalent of $20 a month. These are all independently verifiable - in many cases through direct quotes from the man himself.

Where are you getting your own information? Michael Moore?


1. The United States has killed it's own citizens under firing squad. You need to reword that claim to show me why it' so atrocious.
2. Castro also legalized homosexuality in Cuba. You can't blame Castro when the entire culture of Cuba was extremely homophobic when he came into power and continues to be homophobic to this day.
3. Yeah, that's what you do when you're dictator. After living in places with government controlled media this doesn't phase me at all.
4. And the US has a higher per capita prison rate. Do you really believe Americans are just more criminally inclinced than Cubans?
5. And if were to distribute all his personal wealth to everyone in Cuba everyone still be just as poor, it's simple math.

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In a sense, Batista was worse than Castro--Batista's was a more "conventional" dictatorship of the time.

Castro did educate his people better, and provided better medical care; but the overall standard of living, probably, was even worse under him than under Batista.

As I think about it, the "elites" always had it good in Cuba--under both of them. The "elites" were composed of different sorts of people for each, that's all.


The reason the standard of living was so terrible under Castro was because of the embargo. Doesn't matter if you get rid of income inequality when the entire country is impoverished.


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28 Nov 2016, 2:56 pm

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I bet him and Hitler are getting along just well.


I don't imagine they would.


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28 Nov 2016, 3:54 pm

another viewpoint I found-

You’re Thinking About Fidel Castro All Wrong

Ernesto “Che” Guevara arrived in Guatemala City on Christmas Eve in 1953. An aimless radical who had yet to find his path in life, he had come to see firsthand the liberal reforms being carried out by Guatemala’s democratically elected leader, Jacobo Arbenz.
The most consequential of them, it would turn out, was his effort at land redistribution. Arbenz proposed seizing the uncultivated land held by the company United Fruit, and compensating the firm by paying it the full amount it had claimed the land was worth in its latest tax filings.
Unfortunately for Arbenz, then-Secretary of State John Foster Dulles and his brother, Allen Dulles, the head of the CIA, were both effectively paid agents of United Fruit, which was represented by their law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell. They were also zealous Cold Warriors, and believed deeply that Arbenz was a communist, regardless of whether he admitted it.
The CIA launched a coup, led by several hundred U.S.-backed rebels, and backed by U.S. bombs and a substantial propaganda campaign both in print and on the radio.
Stephen Kinzer, in his dual biography of the Dulles brothers, writes that the Eisenhower-approved coup left a lasting impression on the young man, Guevara, who happened to be in the capital as the coup was carried out:
Later he told Castro why it succeeded. He said Arbenz had foolishly tolerated an open society, which the CIA penetrated and subverted, and also preserved the existing army, which the CIA turned into its instrument. Castro agreed that a revolutionary regime in Cuba must avoid those mistakes. Upon taking power, he cracked down on dissent and purged the army.
None of this means the U.S. is directly responsible for the decisions Castro made, or for the path he took Cuba down. None of it justifies or excuses human rights abuses or the subjugation of an entire people. What Castro did is his own.
But the conditions he operated under matter, and if Arbenz was an example for Guevara and Fidel Castro of what not to do, his successor regime offered a different lesson. The U.S.-backed military dictatorship that took over killed tens of thousands and crushed dissent.
The debate over Castro’s legacy is being waged on familiar grounds, with his opponents condemning him as an irredeemable tyrant and his defenders arguing that the good he did around the world and for the Cuban people outweighs the black mark of his human rights record and his leveling of Cuban civil society.
The conversation in the U.S. often goes on, however, as if Castro were operating in a vacuum. It may well be that Castro’s own personality, or pressure from the Soviet Union, would have pushed him regardless toward the hard-line communism that came to dominate Cuba. But when Castro took over, observers in Cuba, the U.S. and around the world felt there was a chance Castro would be a nationalist reformer rather than an orthodox communist.
Looking back at the experience of Arbenz, Castro and Guevara had good reason to believe the U.S. would do whatever was in its power to overthrow the new government, whether the regime was in the camp of liberal reform or hard-line communism. Arbenz, after all, had been elected and his term in office was nearly up when the U.S. came for him. The CIA had done the same the year before to the democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran, who was by no means a communist.
And, in 1961, the same planners of the Guatemalan coup organized a new one against Cuba, this one ending in the debacle known as the Bay of Pigs. It came just a few months after a U.S.-backed plot had brutally assassinated the elected leader of the Democratic Republic of Congo, Patrice Lumumba, another nationalist the Dulles brothers believed was a secret communist.
If the United States had been serious about wanting to spread democracy around the world, perhaps it should have shown more respect for and to democracies.