Are people too self-righteous for refusing covid vaccines?

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I am a strong supporter of getting as many people as possible vaccinated, but not against doctor's orders.

(If the doctor also tells you vaccines cause autism, however, you should get a new doctor.)

Oh okay that's understandable, if it's against doctor's orders, but if it's not, I feel that this disease is so big that if you can the doctor says your body can handle a vaccine, than perhaps that person should be legally forced to take it. Sounds harsh, but this covid situation goes beyond if healthy people think they should get a vaccination or not perhaps?

I see something fundamentally wrong with forcing people to take this vaccine against their will. If ~50% of the people take the vaccine willingly, and 90% of that half never get reinfected again, then there's no need to force others to take it.

The whole point of social distancing and mask orders (so we were told) was to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, not to somehow eradicate a virus. Even if the virus is always with us, if half the population is immune, the hospitals won't be as overwhelmed.

The half that doesn't take the vax may be more at risk of getting it. But even then, most won't get it. Of those who do, most won't require hospitalization. Ultimately, only a minority of people will be going to the hospital for COVID for treatment. (At which point, they may then change their minds and take the vaccine or not).

If this virus wasn't so transmittable, and if only a fraction of the people had been hospitalized for it from the get-go, the public wouldn't have even been aware of its existence and life would have gone on as usual.

Yeah I guess so. But if people cannot get certain jobs in the future, unless they take vaccine, I guess that will be forcing them to take it in a way, if they want those jobs?

We NEED people to take the vaccine; otherwise, it will be masks and social distancing forever!

What do you think would have happened had people refused to take the Polio vaccine----or the DPT------or the Smallpox vaccine?

We don't "need" people to take anything.

I'm not anti-vaccination. I'm against compulsory vaccination. The vaccines for those other diseases took years to develop. In the interim, we didn't shut down the planet or force people to wear masks and social distancing worldwide. And those viruses were much more destructive and debilitating than Corona ever could be.

Seriously, you're comparing COVID-19 to the horrible scars and almost certain death of smallpox, or to the permanently crippling damages of polio? And while those viruses would flare up and cause outbreaks, never did we destroy the economy over them or shut everything down for years until a vaccine was discovered.

And not everyone on the planet is vaccinated for those diseases. In theory, they could flare up again (unlikely with smallpox).

Point is, if you're vaccinated against Corona, you'll be fine. Forcing others to vaccinate is absurd, and I'm highly critical of anyone who wants to control others that much. The Corona virus is nowhere near as deadly and debilitating as smallpox or polio.

Those at high risk will most certainly want to be vaccinated. Of those who don't, the presence of this virus is nowhere near as damaging as the ones you named. Irrational FEAR leads to irrational BEHAVIOR. Amazing what we're seeing in society.

One thing to be considered: 80% of people who got polio didn't get "serious" symptoms, either. It was just "another flu" for them. But the 20% who acquired serious symptoms acquired severe symptoms, indeed.....like paralysis and needing an iron lung. About 20% of people acquire serious COVID symptoms which are not as bad as polio----but pretty bad, nevertheless.

Obviously, smallpox was a scourge much worse than the Coronavirus.

But still.....I don't believe the lockdown measures, masks, and required vaccinations is an attempt to "control society." I believe it's necessary for people to get vaccinated. Otherwise, the lockdowns, social distancing, masks, etc. will continue unabated. We won't be able to attend sports events. We won't be able to sit down in restaurants or to go movies. Many restrictions. I don't believe any government wants to stifle business; I believe government thought that it was necessary to stifle business to save lives. Call me a "sheeple" if you want. I'd rather be a living sheep than a dead iconoclast.

It's about the POTENTIAL of COVID, even more than the ACTUALITY of COVID. What COVID could turn into if it remains rampant and unabated.

Remember that the vaccines are not 100% effective. If we don't achieve herd immunity it will not just be the unvaccinated at risk of dying, it will also be some of the people who did get a vaccine.

Should people be forced to get a vaccine?

Should people be forced to wear seat-belts in a car? ...to put children in car-seats in a car? ...to stop at stop signs? ...to not drive while impaired by alcohol? ...to not smoke tobacco inside public places? ...to not inflict loud noise on neighbors at night? ...to not have sex in public? ...to pay taxes?

There are many things we do force people to do for the public good.

The two main vaccines were found to be at least 90% effective in studies involving about 30,000 people each.

Which is great news because it will make it easier to achieve herd immunity. Then folk for whom vaccination does not work or is not possible will also be protected.

Unless your doctor tells you not to get the vaccine, I think you should get it and that not getting it would be unwise and irresponsible.

My relatives think the Covid vaccine implants a microchip and it's "The Mark of the Beast"...

Heck, even some of my relatives believed the Covid TEST was the Mark, that they stuck the q-tip up your nose to implant something...

OK. So it would be completely wrong to show them the movie Upgrade.

Wouldn't the microchip be so small that the battery would go dead in less than a day?

It's friggin' annoying how ignorant people are sometimes!

How they don't "think things through."

Many of the people who don't "think things through" voted for Trump.

Well, it turns out that the CDC info doesn't help people like me, so, based on the below I'm NOT getting covid vaccine;

COVID-19 Vaccination Considerations for Persons with Underlying Medical Conditions
Updated Dec. 26, 2020

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... tions.html

Sounds more like the right's irrational mistrust and lack of belief in science.