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Since there are different exegesis from varying demomination, we can see that definition of a Christian is not so clear cut. Obviously a Christian has to believe in the existence of God, and is a follower of Jesus Christ. I find such a simple definition to be elegant, as this definition can be made by anyone, wther they follow Jesus Christ or not. In much the same way there should be a definition of adherents of other religions.

Also, some Christians may choose to define thier religion in ways other than a reference to a holy book (Bible), such as personal experience of God and Jesus Christ. Note that there is no explicit definition of a Christian, in the way we would think in explicit terms. If Jesus did not run courses or preached sermons from notes, you can understand that that his teachings are not laid out in an orderly manner that 21st century people are accustomed to. Thus the second best would be to find a saying where Jesus made an ad-hoc definition of his followers suring one of his sermons.

Now, Raggy says that the OT went out of style,
with Jesus, but:

Guess that means he ain't a REAL Christian.

I capitalized the word to make an emphasis of how is my situation on this, I am in doubt, I'm not certain with either of those things, that of God, if he exists, how is "he", Christianity/religion, and the Bible itself, that I stated before that those doubts started years ago.

I don't know why everyone has to make anything into a "deity" but I suppose that is what you have been thought, that everyone adores something, if is not God, then something else?

That's a good point. Now I'm certain that it refers to or includes the 'Ten Commandments' as the Law being intact, uncorrupted, without change. Now I really wonder who are really "True" Christians here.

It also includes the dietary restrictions,
as well as a LARGE number of infractions,
all punishable by death.

Sharia law has NOTHING on the OT.

Who's stereotyping now? I only noticed the capitalization because I'm a Christian? Hitting the shift key is almost never a typo. NOT hitting the shift key can be a typo. If you hit it, there's a reason. Don't patronize me as "one of those Christians who notices capitalization". Please.

But, of course, I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about an inner preference for doubt, meaning one that remains constant without regard to the evidence one is presented with. What I was talking about is a knee-jerk reaction to doubt everything -- I don't mean questioning, I mean actively disbelieving whatever you hear the moment you hear it. I'm not talking about rational disbelief, I'm talking about unrational disbelief.

Please address the things I write about when responding to my posts.

...Or you misinterpreted the meanings of those verses. But we can't chalk that up to a Christian misinterpretation, since you don't study the Bible seriously.

Hint: Notice that Christian Bibles still contain the Old Testament. That should give you a clue that we still think it's important. But why did Jesus come to Earth to die for the sins of the world, and He said He did? Was it so that nothing would change? Of course not. It was to offer people permanent salvation for all their sins, past, present, and future. And to bring a new law:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer 31:31-34).

God never "forgot" sin before. It ALWAYS had to be atoned for with a blood offering. The above clearly predicts a divine policy change in that regard.

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Everyone serves someone or something. And that's not just a Christian belief; we're born serving ourselves. With some people, that changes over time, whereas many people serve themselves foremost their entire lives.

Hmmm? Well, I've irritated you somehow, which means that any further conversation with you is probably just going to be shrill bickering instead of the discussion I thought we were having. bye.

Well, that's up to you, and whether you can control yourself.

what? like knowing there is no christian heaven or hell and that you're delusional for putting your kind above others, making yourself more deserving of good things in the next life because you can't accept how things really are?

I would hate to use a term like "true Christians," but in the end I'd say it's very different from what alot of the fire-and-brimstone types make it out to be. Most of them don't follow Christ so much as Paul (the two are mutually exclusive when you get down to it: Christ was a moral relativist, Paul was a moral absolutist). I'd say that a true Christian is someone who attempts to help others and do the right thing.

I also think that it's necessary that they be doing this because they believe in Christ if they're going to take the name "Christians," but I also don't believe that God will punish them for simply not believing in him/Christ if they have some other set of believes. I mean, Jesus put alot more effort into preaching about not hurting others, not taking things that aren't yours, not sitting back while other suffer, and generally playing nice, than he did into preaching about why it's so important to accept him as your lord and savior.

The Morning Star likes True Christians.

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Right, there is CLEARLY a difference. No dispute
there. But, there was no cause, from Jesus' words,
to think that the laws of the OT no longer applied.
Just as God will forgive a bit of murder and adultery,
also will he forgive other offenses. BUT, Christians
don't even see these as such, instead, they eat shellfish
and other such abominations.