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13 Jul 2012, 10:22 pm

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Yes, many do. What I mean is that the common Autistic sensation of social disconnectedness (which I have experienced at various times in my life) could incline some people toward libertarianism (and even atheism or agnosticism).


Quite true.

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13 Jul 2012, 10:29 pm

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Yes, there are some of us. However, my observation is that libertarianism is almost suited to Autism - freedom and independence. Personally, I am much more concerned with social justice than freedom.


Well, there is left anarchism, which has a much longer tradition than libertarianism. I come from that sort of background but I've really moderated a lot with age. Not a radical by any means these days.



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13 Jul 2012, 10:33 pm

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What I mean is that the common Autistic sensation of social disconnectedness (which I have experienced at various times in my life) could incline some people toward libertarianism (and even atheism or agnosticism).


Yes, but the even more common autistic sensation of not-having-a-job would presumably guard against the Atlas Shrugged complex seen in many libertarians.



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13 Jul 2012, 10:57 pm

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Protip: Women should not be used as communal tractors, it is not only unfair, they will not like it.


Once when I was at work, at an equestrian school, somebody did this pop psychology test. She asks everyone what their favourite sort of horse is. I said a draft horse (a breed of working horse used for heavy work like pulling heavy wagons or a plough). One of the riding instructors said she liked "geldings [neutered male horses], because they're easiest to ride and control". Another liked stallions for the challenge of taming them, another (who happened to have a boyfriend much younger than her) said she liked "fillies [juvenile female horses], they are so cute"

Then she revealed this was supposed to indicate something about your preferred mate. Whole lot of facepalming! I don't usually put much stock in pop psychology junk, but that was rather interesting. And embarrassing. Had to do a little stocktaking and self-assessment, after that.

The only person who wasn't really embarrassed was the other stablehand, he had said palominos, which is just a light yellow horse with a white tail. His wife was blonde, too.



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13 Jul 2012, 11:03 pm

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Protip: Women should not be used as communal tractors, it is not only unfair, they will not like it.


Once when I was at work, at an equestrian school, somebody did this pop psychology test. She asks everyone what their favourite sort of horse is. I said a draft horse (a breed of working horse used for heavy work like pulling heavy wagons or a plough). One of the riding instructors said she liked "geldings [neutered male horses], because they're easiest to ride and control". Another liked stallions for the challenge of taming them, another (who happened to have a boyfriend much younger than her) said she liked "fillies [juvenile female horses], they are so cute"

Then she revealed this was supposed to indicate something about your preferred mate. Whole lot of facepalming! I don't usually put much stock in pop psychology junk, but that was rather interesting. And embarrassing. Had to do a little stocktaking and self-assessment, after that.

The only person who wasn't really embarrassed was the other stablehand, he had said palominos, which is just a light yellow horse with a white tail. His wife was blonde, too.


Or maybe it means that you were all just bunch of horse fu...
No!... No, I won't say that!
Kidding, I'm kidding! :lol:

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13 Jul 2012, 11:20 pm

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What I mean is that the common Autistic sensation of social disconnectedness (which I have experienced at various times in my life) could incline some people toward libertarianism (and even atheism or agnosticism).


Yes, but the even more common autistic sensation of not-having-a-job would presumably guard against the Atlas Shrugged complex seen in many libertarians.


Not really. I don't have a job and I don't think it's right to take other people's money for myself.


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13 Jul 2012, 11:23 pm

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What I mean is that the common Autistic sensation of social disconnectedness (which I have experienced at various times in my life) could incline some people toward libertarianism (and even atheism or agnosticism).


Yes, but the even more common autistic sensation of not-having-a-job would presumably guard against the Atlas Shrugged complex seen in many libertarians.


Not really. I don't have a job and I don't think it's right to take other people's money for myself.


What better use of tax money than to help those without survive?

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13 Jul 2012, 11:38 pm

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What better use of tax money than to help those without survive?


Exactly. I am not a Marxist per se (since I reject dialectical materialism), but I also do not accept the idea of a "sovereign citizen" or a radical individualist.

Money is social, IMO, not individual.


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13 Jul 2012, 11:42 pm

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Yes, but the even more common autistic sensation of not-having-a-job would presumably guard against the Atlas Shrugged complex seen in many libertarians.


I have run into quite a few Randian Objectivists in the Autistic community (including on WrongPlanet). I understand the position, and the logic of it, even though I completely reject it.


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13 Jul 2012, 11:46 pm

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Not really. I don't have a job and I don't think it's right to take other people's money for myself.


That assumes that there is such a thing as "other people's money." Monetary systems are arbitrary or conventional arrangements. There is nothing innate about private property.


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14 Jul 2012, 12:06 am

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Not really. I don't have a job and I don't think it's right to take other people's money for myself.


That assumes that there is such a thing as "other people's money." Monetary systems are arbitrary or conventional arrangements. There is nothing innate about private property.


Property in modern capitalist society ultimately derives from the state, which apportions, titles and legitimizes the right to land and all resources upon it. This is why people in the developing world who have lived in the same shanty village for centuries or possibly even millenia, get evicted with no compensation when a mining company comes along. Their right to property isn't recognized because they have no deed or title from the state, which is what ultimately defines our conception of private property.

Some like to use the "natural" argument, but hunter-gatherer groups simply did not recognize private property - they generally only recognized usufructory right, which is all but entirely rejected as legitimate in the private property system (except for a few legal oddities that are holdovers from the feudal era in some legal systems, like squatter's right, salvage rights on the sea, etc).



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14 Jul 2012, 12:07 am

bizboy1 wrote:
Declension wrote:
nominalist wrote:
What I mean is that the common Autistic sensation of social disconnectedness (which I have experienced at various times in my life) could incline some people toward libertarianism (and even atheism or agnosticism).


Yes, but the even more common autistic sensation of not-having-a-job would presumably guard against the Atlas Shrugged complex seen in many libertarians.


Not really. I don't have a job and I don't think it's right to take other people's money for myself.



That's because you're living off of someone ELSE'S dime and don't have to figure out how to survive financially on your own.



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14 Jul 2012, 12:28 am

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[Property in modern capitalist society ultimately derives from the state, which apportions, titles and legitimizes the right to land and all resources upon it. This is why people in the developing world who have lived in the same shanty village for centuries or possibly even millenia, get evicted with no compensation when a mining company comes along. Their right to property isn't recognized because they have no deed or title from the state, which is what ultimately defines our conception of private property.


Poverty, IMO, is caused by global capitalism.


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14 Jul 2012, 12:34 am

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bizboy1 wrote:
Declension wrote:
nominalist wrote:
What I mean is that the common Autistic sensation of social disconnectedness (which I have experienced at various times in my life) could incline some people toward libertarianism (and even atheism or agnosticism).


Yes, but the even more common autistic sensation of not-having-a-job would presumably guard against the Atlas Shrugged complex seen in many libertarians.


Not really. I don't have a job and I don't think it's right to take other people's money for myself.



That's because you're living off of someone ELSE'S dime and don't have to figure out how to survive financially on your own.


lol. And I'm guessing you forgot your first 18 years of living off your parents too? I don't see where you're going.


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14 Jul 2012, 12:37 am

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[Property in modern capitalist society ultimately derives from the state, which apportions, titles and legitimizes the right to land and all resources upon it. This is why people in the developing world who have lived in the same shanty village for centuries or possibly even millenia, get evicted with no compensation when a mining company comes along. Their right to property isn't recognized because they have no deed or title from the state, which is what ultimately defines our conception of private property.


Poverty, IMO, is caused by global capitalism.


Really. I was under the impression that capitalism elevated people out of poverty. Any evidence to back up your claim?


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14 Jul 2012, 12:41 am

bizboy1 wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
Declension wrote:
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What I mean is that the common Autistic sensation of social disconnectedness (which I have experienced at various times in my life) could incline some people toward libertarianism (and even atheism or agnosticism).


Yes, but the even more common autistic sensation of not-having-a-job would presumably guard against the Atlas Shrugged complex seen in many libertarians.


Not really. I don't have a job and I don't think it's right to take other people's money for myself.



That's because you're living off of someone ELSE'S dime and don't have to figure out how to survive financially on your own.


lol. And I'm guessing you forgot your first 18 years of living off your parents too? I don't see where you're going.
Are you under 18 now? That is where he is going with it.


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