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29 Mar 2022, 7:05 am

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Not living in UK I didn't see that coming,

"Several of the largest steam heritage railways in Britain have announced reduced schedules or postponed special events involving multiple locomotives. The reason: a shortage of suitable coal because of transport or supply problems following the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Britain once boasted the world’s largest coal export ports. Railways around the world relied on coal exported via ports such as Cardiff and Barry in Wales in the early 20th century, but that has long been history. The last coal mines in Britain closed in the last few years as the country has moved away from coal to generate electricity. Coal used for power, now only occasionally, is imported, as is the coal used by steelmakers and heritage railways.

In 2021 the Heritage Railway Association, representing the UK’s heritage railways, warned the entire sector was dependent on imported coal after the last English mine ceased production; the last UK mine, in Wales, closed in 2022. Planning permits for new mines elsewhere in the UK have been refused in recent years despite significant remaining coal reserves.

Much of the 30,000 tons of coal used annually by British heritage railways in recent years came from countries such as Kazakhstan, Russia, or further afield in the Americas. Coal from Russia is no longer an option due to sanctions and public opinion. Coal from Central Asian countries such as Kazakhstan was shipped by rail to a port via Russia and possibly Ukraine; neither option is currently available."

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... age-steam/

This is disturbing , as the co al mines in Wales were just closed , and I d o not believe it had anything to do with the quality of the coal . Many people were laid off that relied on mining as their livelihood in Wales.
So this causes me to wonder what the thought processes are behind the governments action they are taking ?

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29 Mar 2022, 8:57 am

I live in Canada and for the last three weeks about, for some reason there has been a lot of shortages in grocery stores with the shelves not being as full as they use to be. Could this be because of the conflict as well?

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29 Mar 2022, 8:59 am

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ironpony wrote:

Blame either Putin's war or the truckers' blockade -- or maybe both.

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29 Mar 2022, 9:03 am

I haven't noticed any food shortages in the USA, beyond the store nearest me always having bare shelves in the evening.

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29 Mar 2022, 9:12 am

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I anticipate this will make grocery shopping more difficult here in California:

Thousands of grocery workers at Kroger-owned Ralphs, Albertsons, Vons and Pavilions stores in California have voted to authorize their union to call a strike amid ongoing contract negotiations.

The sides will continue talks on a new labor deal on March 30 and no date has been set for a strike, according to an emailed statement from the United Food and Commercial Workers Union on Sunday. About 47,000 workers of seven UFCW locals in south and central California were eligible to vote, the group said.

The union is demanding a $5 an hour raise over a three-year contract -- to replace its most recent one that expired March 6 -- along with more stable hours and staffing, and improved safety measures in the stores.

Source: California Grocery Workers Authorize Strike as Talks Continue

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29 Mar 2022, 9:18 am

Oh okay, I haven't seen a strike here, but the shortages did seem to happen around the same time as the Ukraine invasion, so wondering if it is a coincidence or not.

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29 Mar 2022, 9:32 am

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Oh okay, I haven't seen a strike here, but the shortages did seem to happen around the same time as the Ukraine invasion, so wondering if it is a coincidence or not.

Depends on how prone to panic buying your neighbours are.
Panic buying can generate shortages without any other factor involved.

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29 Mar 2022, 10:26 am

US Army veteran who has volunteered to fight in Ukraine says he amps himself up for battle by thinking about 'punchable' Tucker Carlson

https://trib.al/iewYvFE

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29 Mar 2022, 10:30 am

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Oh okay. But it seems that Russian military has now had time to find out this is more than 'just an operation' yet they are still following orders though.

Many of them, yes.. because they are soldiers and following orders as soldiers are supposed to do.

But not all of them. There are people giving up, even some that ran their own commander over with a tank and cut his legs off and he reportedly died - because they were so made that he sent 1500 troops into battle without a plan and half of them were killed quickly.

Overall you can’t just expect soldiers to have thoughts of their own and a moral compass - they’re trained to be killing machines that do what they’re ordered to do. All countries’ soldiers are like this, of they weren’t we wouldn’t have any successful armies.

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29 Mar 2022, 12:50 pm

Just came across this,

"A 9-month-0ld American boy stranded at the Ukrainian border for more than a week is finally safe after his family cut through the bureaucratic red tape that had trapped him and his mother in a war zone."

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"The reason behind the Hubbards’ desperate bid for freedom was maddeningly simple: Seraphim didn’t have a birth certificate. Aislinn, who moved to Kyiv to study ballet at age 16, had a home birth last June. She was afraid her baby might contract COVID-19 in a hospital, where he would have automatically received a birth certificate.

Worried as Russia continued to amass troops on the Ukrainian border, Hubbard first alerted U.S. officials of a potential problem in December.

“I said, ‘Hey, here’s the situation, we got this little boy who doesn’t have a birth certificate,” Hubbard told The Daily Beast last week. “It could be two to six months before we get one. What are you guys going to do in the case that war breaks out?’ And they said, ‘I don’t know.’”

After flying to Ukraine in early February to retain a lawyer and check on his daughter, Hubbard arrived safely back at home in Fitchburg on Feb. 23. Hours later, Russia invaded."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/william-h ... ntain-trek

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29 Mar 2022, 12:57 pm

And just came across this, https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 12736.html

"OMAHA, Neb., March 29, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- As the Russia and Ukraine War continues to escalate, Gun Made's annual survey seeks to gauge U.S. Voter sentiment around the current gun and political landscape. While gun and ammo sales are rising, Gun Made obtains people's opinions on the present war relating to the gun industry."

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"and roughly one-third of U.S. voters intend to purchase a gun due to the Russia and Ukraine war.

"It means people in the US value their ability to protect themselves from real or perceived threats," said Brady Kirkpatrick, founder of Gun Made. "And should conflict come to U.S. soil, they want the ability to defend themselves and their homes."

In fact, we asked Democrats and Republicans why they own the guns they do, and 57% of Democrats and 68% of Republicans cited personal safety as the #1 reason."

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29 Mar 2022, 1:22 pm

The only food shortage here is saltines and biscuits.
There have been NONE on the shelves for months.

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29 Mar 2022, 9:27 pm

magz wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Oh okay, I haven't seen a strike here, but the shortages did seem to happen around the same time as the Ukraine invasion, so wondering if it is a coincidence or not.

Depends on how prone to panic buying your neighbours are.
Panic buying can generate shortages without any other factor involved.

What would cause panic buying now? I mean covid lockdowns are pretty much over? But also, a lot of the stuff that is off the shelves are cosmetic related supplies as well, unless there is a reason for that?

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29 Mar 2022, 9:30 pm

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ironpony wrote:

Oh okay. But it seems that Russian military has now had time to find out this is more than 'just an operation' yet they are still following orders though.

That's a good point. Interesting about the commander run over by his own man. Why didn't the man just kill him with a knife or a gun instead of trying to run him down with a tank, which would have taken more effort?

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29 Mar 2022, 9:33 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Oh okay. But it seems that Russian military has now had time to find out this is more than 'just an operation' yet they are still following orders though.

Perhaps the vehicle was the closest weapon at hand or there was hope of concealing who was personally/individually responsible.

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29 Mar 2022, 9:34 pm

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ironpony wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Oh okay. But it seems that Russian military has now had time to find out this is more than 'just an operation' yet they are still following orders though.

Perhaps the vehicle was the closest weapon at hand or there was hope of concealing who was personally/individually responsible.

Oh okay I thought soldiers would at least have a knife or a sidearm pistol on them normally at all times, just in case.

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