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14 Jul 2012, 5:52 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlsR3tNI_c&feature=related[/youtube]


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14 Jul 2012, 6:15 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlsR3tNI_c&feature=related[/youtube]


The first example in your video - the father who didn't qualify for government aid for his little daughter with the throat defect - only proved that the United States needs universal healthcare.
The second example was taking place in Britain - I thought this was supposed to be about America. And as for the question of what would happen to this father if his welfare were to be suddenly ripped out from under him; sure he might find a job somewhere in order to support his wife and children - or they might just as well die. Or better yet, he might get hold of a gun, and hold up that bald prick of a narrator.

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14 Jul 2012, 6:21 pm

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Or better yet, he might get hold of a gun, and hold up that bald prick of a narrator.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Are you implying that need -justifies- force and violence?

Are you advocating that someone else's money be used to buy off thugs who might bother you?

Be a man! Guard your own assets.

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14 Jul 2012, 6:21 pm

besides they dont excactly look like the most modern of videos, the world evolves.

@ruveyn you dor ealize that poverty and crime are directly linked by hundreds of studies around the world? and that he wasnt talking about any justification?


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14 Jul 2012, 6:24 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Or better yet, he might get hold of a gun, and hold up that bald prick of a narrator.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Are you implying that need -justifies- force and violence?

Are you advocating that someone else's money be used to buy off thugs who might bother you?

Be a man! Guard your own assets.

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Typical Liberal (no not you ruveyn :)


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14 Jul 2012, 6:24 pm

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besides they dont excactly look like the most modern of videos, the world evolves.

@ruveyn you dor ealize that poverty and crime are directly linked by hundreds of studies around the world? and that he wasnt talking about any justification?


Thank you. 8)

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14 Jul 2012, 6:26 pm

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besides they dont excactly look like the most modern of videos, the world evolves.

@ruveyn you dor ealize that poverty and crime are directly linked by hundreds of studies around the world? and that he wasnt talking about any justification?


All the more reason to have lots of police who will shoot needy thieves dead.

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14 Jul 2012, 6:28 pm

bizboy1 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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Or better yet, he might get hold of a gun, and hold up that bald prick of a narrator.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Are you implying that need -justifies- force and violence?

Are you advocating that someone else's money be used to buy off thugs who might bother you?

Be a man! Guard your own assets.

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Typical Liberal (no not you ruveyn :)


I think even an Aspie should know I was speaking with a degree of hyperbole.
Do you show the same kind of condemnation when conservatives say poor people on public assistance should be sterilized?

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14 Jul 2012, 6:40 pm

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I think even an Aspie should know I was speaking with a degree of hyperbole.
Do you show the same kind of condemnation when conservatives say poor people on public assistance should be sterilized?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I take them at their word.

Do you know how the Nazis succeeded? No one took them at their word until it was too late.

I take every one at their world.

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14 Jul 2012, 6:51 pm

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I think even an Aspie should know I was speaking with a degree of hyperbole.
Do you show the same kind of condemnation when conservatives say poor people on public assistance should be sterilized?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I take them at their word.

Do you know how the Nazis succeeded? No one took them at their word until it was too late.

I take every one at their world.

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Well, I admittedly use hyperbole more than I should. But what of those conservatives who want the poor to be sterilized in order to cut down on the welfare state? Do you take them seriously?

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14 Jul 2012, 7:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I think even an Aspie should know I was speaking with a degree of hyperbole.
Do you show the same kind of condemnation when conservatives say poor people on public assistance should be sterilized?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I take them at their word.

Do you know how the Nazis succeeded? No one took them at their word until it was too late.

I take every one at their world.

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Well, I admittedly use hyperbole more than I should. But what of those conservatives who want the poor to be sterilized in order to cut down on the welfare state? Do you take them seriously?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I never heard a conservative argue that there should be forced sterilization. As a Libertarian, I strongly oppose it. I've only heard Liberals argue this point extensively through means such as Global warming, Abortion rights, Women rights, poverty, etc. This is the liberal dream: a society dreamed up by some crackpot idealist.


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14 Jul 2012, 7:24 pm

bizboy1 wrote:
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ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I think even an Aspie should know I was speaking with a degree of hyperbole.
Do you show the same kind of condemnation when conservatives say poor people on public assistance should be sterilized?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I take them at their word.

Do you know how the Nazis succeeded? No one took them at their word until it was too late.

I take every one at their world.

ruveyn


Well, I admittedly use hyperbole more than I should. But what of those conservatives who want the poor to be sterilized in order to cut down on the welfare state? Do you take them seriously?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I never heard a conservative argue that there should be forced sterilization. As a Libertarian, I strongly oppose it. I've only heard Liberals argue this point extensively through means such as Global warming, Abortion rights, Women rights, poverty, etc. This is the liberal dream: a society dreamed up by some crackpot idealist.


As a matter of fact, the most recent conservative politician who had advocated such a thing was in Louisiana. He had wanted to introduce a bill in which poor people on public assistance would be payed in order to be sterilized. While Preston Bush, the father and grandfather of the two Bush presidents, had thought it was a grand idea to pay blacks to be sterilized (he argued their payments ought to be determined by how high their IQ's were). People who were considered mentally ill or handicapped had been involuntarily fixed by states all over the country - and I concede, this probably wasn't condoned by just conservatives. Most of the victims of this practice were overwhelmingly poor and racial minorities.
Sure, there is the notion of a voluntary payment here rather than out and out forced sterilization, but any plan that calls for the sterilization of certain people who are considered undesirable dehumanizes them. We Americans are better than that.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Jul 2012, 7:35 pm

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As a matter of fact, the most recent conservative politician who had advocated such a thing was in Louisiana. He had wanted to introduce a bill in which poor people on public assistance would be payed in order to be sterilized. While Preston Bush, the father and grandfather of the two Bush presidents, had thought it was a grand idea to pay blacks to be sterilized (he argued their payments ought to be determined by how high their IQ's were). People who were considered mentally ill or handicapped had been involuntarily fixed by states all over the country - and I concede, this probably wasn't condoned by just conservatives. Most of the victims of this practice were overwhelmingly poor and racial minorities.
Sure, there is the notion of a voluntary payment here rather than out and out forced sterilization, but any plan that calls for the sterilization of certain people who are considered undesirable dehumanizes them. We Americans are better than that.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Do you know the difference between inducement and compulsion? I do. If I offer you x dollars for your gonads you have the right to refuse the offer. That is inducement. If two goons tie you down and I go to work with my scalpel, that is compulsion.

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14 Jul 2012, 7:43 pm

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As a matter of fact, the most recent conservative politician who had advocated such a thing was in Louisiana. He had wanted to introduce a bill in which poor people on public assistance would be payed in order to be sterilized. While Preston Bush, the father and grandfather of the two Bush presidents, had thought it was a grand idea to pay blacks to be sterilized (he argued their payments ought to be determined by how high their IQ's were). People who were considered mentally ill or handicapped had been involuntarily fixed by states all over the country - and I concede, this probably wasn't condoned by just conservatives. Most of the victims of this practice were overwhelmingly poor and racial minorities.
Sure, there is the notion of a voluntary payment here rather than out and out forced sterilization, but any plan that calls for the sterilization of certain people who are considered undesirable dehumanizes them. We Americans are better than that.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Do you know the difference between inducement and compulsion? I do. If I offer you x dollars for your gonads you have the right to refuse the offer. That is inducement. If two goons tie you down and I go to work with my scalpel, that is compulsion.

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Regardless of inducement rather than compulsion, the whole concept of reducing a segment of the population because they're considered inferior or unworthy is dehumanizing. Even with the offer of money, the people targeted are perceived as less than everyone else in regard to being citizens, and in regard to being human beings.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Jul 2012, 7:46 pm

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Regardless of inducement rather than compulsion, the whole concept of reducing a segment of the population because they're considered inferior or unworthy is dehumanizing. Even with the offer of money, the people targeted are perceived as less than everyone else in regard to being citizens, and in regard to being human beings.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


As long as no force or extortion is done there is no wrongful act.

Obviously you don't like the idea that some people think there are inferior folk who should not reproduce. I share you dislike but I do not characterize such an attitude as a crime, a sin, or a wrong. It is simply something I do not like. I point out to you the the Cosmos does not give one good damn what either your or I like or dislike.

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14 Jul 2012, 8:01 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Regardless of inducement rather than compulsion, the whole concept of reducing a segment of the population because they're considered inferior or unworthy is dehumanizing. Even with the offer of money, the people targeted are perceived as less than everyone else in regard to being citizens, and in regard to being human beings.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


As long as no force or extortion is done there is no wrongful act.

Obviously you don't like the idea that some people think there are inferior folk who should not reproduce. I share you dislike but I do not characterize such an attitude as a crime, a sin, or a wrong. It is simply something I do not like. I point out to you the the Cosmos does not give one good damn what either your or I like or dislike.

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It still doesn't mean I have to accept it, or put up with it - cosmos be damned.

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