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27 Aug 2014, 11:39 pm

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You probably could inject cannibinoids or THC. If they have nasal sprays and brownies I dont see why an IM/IV form wouldn't work.


They've done research where they've injected THC into malignant tumours to shrink them so I would imagine that is possible, although I'm not sure what one would do to make it into an inject-able form.


I wonder how long it will be before hardcore stoners start doing this... that'll demonise cannabis


I think hardcore stoners would laugh at the idea....knowing that for one its entirely unnecessary, if you really need a 'rush' just take a big ass bong or steam roller hit that'll hit you like a train(in a good way of course :twisted:) even sprinkle some hash in if desired. Besides I'd think a hardcore stoner would know the plant as a whole works best, not isolated THC.

I do not think there is any way to make cannabis as a whole into an inject-able form, to my knowledge you cannot really inject plant matter...even the hash oil that's almost liquid would likely be far to thick and potentially lead to death by clogging blood veins, so I just don't see it happening.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the hardcore stoners are too busy taking dabs right now.


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28 Aug 2014, 11:29 am

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You may not like the sound of this, but I would classify a person who cannot resist drugs as a human being. It is an essential part of our genetic makeup to not just need, but to invent, explore, open the mind to the unknown, and share those experiences.

In a positive nature, I do not believe there is a need to have a treatment, or call it a disease, or a condition. It just is.

You chose to quit. I did the same. I wanted to. I commanded it. There are many reasons why people are, or become dependant. Some are natural, some are not. Some are recreational. Shamans have been doing it for over 15,000 years. Possibly forever. In this respect, it is not bad. It can be enlightening. My neurological disorder led me to drug use for a long time. No different from perscription medication in my book. Reality was a difficult thing for me to deal with for a very long time. I had no legal support stucture. In many ways I am thankful for that. I was also a victim of narcissistic abuse. I'm sure that had something to do with it too. I know, or have known people who are just in what I like to call self destruct drug use. It never ends for them, and you cannot make it stop. They have to want to. Trying to get them out of it usually has negative effects. Most I know turn to legal alcohol. A nasty chronic addiction.

Hope this answers something for you?


Yes. Yes it does. And you're wrong ("You may not like the sound of this"), I do like the sound of that. :D

It makes me remember an article or two I read concerning marijuana and it's effects on humans. Although I'm not a biologist it seems evident various animals are

affected by different foods and materials which may not affect other animals. What I read explained this by pointing out that for a substance to have a marijuana like effect

molecules and substances from the marijuana must bind to receptors (much the way we catch flu, etc.) which to researchers means we have had an affinity for such

substances for a very very long time. So you're 100% correct.

But the thing that's different about us, and probably the reason everyone who tries a drug is not an addict: Our minds. Subject to change. And this means although we all

have a propensity or urge, as you point out, we don't all handle the urge the same way.



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28 Aug 2014, 11:36 am

Lukecash12 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Ectryon wrote:
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Ectryon wrote:
You probably could inject cannibinoids or THC. If they have nasal sprays and brownies I dont see why an IM/IV form wouldn't work.


They've done research where they've injected THC into malignant tumours to shrink them so I would imagine that is possible, although I'm not sure what one would do to make it into an inject-able form.


I wonder how long it will be before hardcore stoners start doing this... that'll demonise cannabis


I think hardcore stoners would laugh at the idea....knowing that for one its entirely unnecessary, if you really need a 'rush' just take a big ass bong or steam roller hit that'll hit you like a train(in a good way of course :twisted:) even sprinkle some hash in if desired. Besides I'd think a hardcore stoner would know the plant as a whole works best, not isolated THC.

I do not think there is any way to make cannabis as a whole into an inject-able form, to my knowledge you cannot really inject plant matter...even the hash oil that's almost liquid would likely be far to thick and potentially lead to death by clogging blood veins, so I just don't see it happening.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the hardcore stoners are too busy taking dabs right now.


Yeah them dabs....I hear its a new drug derived from marijuana lol, so funny since its just hash and hash has been around for a very long time as far as I know. But I saw a couple articles referring to it as a 'new' drug and how its some horrid plague on society which was ridiculous of course.


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28 Aug 2014, 11:42 am

The newer hash that's made in bubble bags is crap compared to the hash that used to come in from the Middle East.I don't even consider it real hash.


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28 Aug 2014, 12:07 pm

Maybe the person that made it wasn't a good cook? :D

The idea behind "bubble" is knocking off the little glands on the flowers and leaves and filtering
them from the rest using bags with screened bottoms. You separate the glands by getting them
really cold in a bucket of ice water and agitating so the glands fall through the tiny openings in
the screen.

The ides behind old time hash (it was just on the TV) is the dried marijuana is placed on a large
screen and a cloth put over and people sit around it whacking the pile with thin sticks and the
glands fall through the tiny openings in the screen.

Both methods are dependent on the THC bearing qualities of the original product so using
more or less effective strains can have an effect. Quality will also depend on temperature
and many other factors.......not especially how the glands were gathered.



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28 Aug 2014, 12:09 pm

Lol This thread has been derailed into the adults only zone XD

I dont really understand the idea that having receptors that a drug binds to means we should all do drugs. Its not surprising given the sheer number of biochemicals



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28 Aug 2014, 12:50 pm

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The newer hash that's made in bubble bags is crap compared to the hash that used to come in from the Middle East.I don't even consider it real hash.


Do you mean that new stuff called earwax?


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28 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm

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The newer hash that's made in bubble bags is crap compared to the hash that used to come in from the Middle East.I don't even consider it real hash.


I thought the 'hash' from the middle east was called hashish and also contained opium....never tried it though so haven't been able to compare it to any other hash I've had. There is some wax hash that isn't very good at all, though I've gotten some that is pretty potent, probably better than what you'd typically find in a dispensary, I've also had powdery hash, and stuff that sort of breaks into smallish chuncks but not exactly powedery....and I once had hash infused with opium, but doubt it was proper hashish.

But maybe I am misinformed or there was also just hash coming from there that was better quality than a lot of what you find now.


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28 Aug 2014, 1:14 pm

^I don't think it had opium in it.I believe the word hash is interchangeable with hashish.The old stuff was stronger,way stronger and smelled better.If you took too big a hit,talk about lung blowing expansion. 8O You smoked it by getting a straight pin and poking it thru a really stiff piece of paper,like the back of a spiral notebook.Then you put a ball of the hash on it and lit it,once it stated burning you blew it out and put a glass over it,when the glass was filled you would crack the edge up a little and suck the smoke out.The new stuff just melts off the pin.
It used to be easy to find,not anymore.I blame the war on terrorism.


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28 Aug 2014, 1:49 pm

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^I don't think it had opium in it.I believe the word hash is interchangeable with hashish.The old stuff was stronger,way stronger and smelled better.If you took too big a hit,talk about lung blowing expansion. 8O You smoked it by getting a straight pin and poking it thru a really stiff piece of paper,like the back of a spiral notebook.Then you put a ball of the hash on it and lit it,once it stated burning you blew it out and put a glass over it,when the glass was filled you would crack the edge up a little and suck the smoke out.The new stuff just melts off the pin.
It used to be easy to find,not anymore.I blame the war on terrorism.


My dad has told me of that method except didn't mention anything about stiff paper....

Also maybe the terms are interchangable, looked up more info and everything I've found implies hashish is just cannabis...but its not unheard of for it to be infused with opium I don't think.


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28 Aug 2014, 4:31 pm

Hashish is weed. There are a few different ways to make or extract it. Some is an oil, and the good stuff looks about like the consistancy of a rabbit turd. From a golden brown with specks. To black. Some people like to mix it with opium, but it does not come that way. Most people now days use a water pipe that has a piece of metal in it that you get glowing red with a torch.


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29 Aug 2014, 12:11 am

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I never claimed that the routes are the same


I made pot butter once and used it in a batch of rice crispy bars. It was a horrible body high. I did not like it at all.


I like body highs as well, but ingesting it, I find, just makes me sleep. lol I prefer smoking joints, but I've been trying to use the vaporiser more often these days (which is just as good, but less fun for me lol). I smoked cigarettes for 15 years before quitting a couple of years ago and having joints helped me through the lack of cigarette holding, but I worry about all the tar from smoking joints when I already smoked cigarettes for as long as I did.


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29 Aug 2014, 10:57 am

Misslizard wrote:
^I don't think it had opium in it.I believe the word hash is interchangeable with hashish.The old stuff was stronger,way stronger and smelled better.If you took too big a hit,talk about lung blowing expansion. 8O You smoked it by getting a straight pin and poking it thru a really stiff piece of paper,like the back of a spiral notebook.Then you put a ball of the hash on it and lit it,once it stated burning you blew it out and put a glass over it,when the glass was filled you would crack the edge up a little and suck the smoke out.The new stuff just melts off the pin.
It used to be easy to find,not anymore.I blame the war on terrorism.


When the product melts you can usually be assured it's fresh and unadulterated. The more misc. plant material is present the less "melt" that will occur.

Old style hash was pressed into lumps or bars. The dried, outside portion "rind" becomes very hard. In addition the THC levels fall very low in the "rind" compared to the hash inside. Often you'll be presented with a piece of hash that has been exposed to the air for days/weeks/months. This is low quality hash.



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29 Aug 2014, 1:17 pm

Nights_Like_These wrote:
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I never claimed that the routes are the same


I made pot butter once and used it in a batch of rice crispy bars. It was a horrible body high. I did not like it at all.


I like body highs as well, but ingesting it, I find, just makes me sleep. lol I prefer smoking joints, but I've been trying to use the vaporiser more often these days (which is just as good, but less fun for me lol). I smoked cigarettes for 15 years before quitting a couple of years ago and having joints helped me through the lack of cigarette holding, but I worry about all the tar from smoking joints when I already smoked cigarettes for as long as I did.


Well tar or not, a lot of studies point to cannabis smoke lacking carcinogens...not really sure if joints have more tar than say a cigarette though....but then if you're going to smoke you're going to run the risk of getting stuff in your lungs that might not be too healthy. But vaporizing takes out the smoke factor....I had a vape pen which worked well for hash but i lost it on accident so waiting on when I can afford a new one....considering either the same kind or one that has an attachment for dried herb so I don't have to have hash to use it.


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29 Aug 2014, 1:23 pm

ZenDen wrote:
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^I don't think it had opium in it.I believe the word hash is interchangeable with hashish.The old stuff was stronger,way stronger and smelled better.If you took too big a hit,talk about lung blowing expansion. 8O You smoked it by getting a straight pin and poking it thru a really stiff piece of paper,like the back of a spiral notebook.Then you put a ball of the hash on it and lit it,once it stated burning you blew it out and put a glass over it,when the glass was filled you would crack the edge up a little and suck the smoke out.The new stuff just melts off the pin.
It used to be easy to find,not anymore.I blame the war on terrorism.


When the product melts you can usually be assured it's fresh and unadulterated. The more misc. plant material is present the less "melt" that will occur.

Old style hash was pressed into lumps or bars. The dried, outside portion "rind" becomes very hard. In addition the THC levels fall very low in the "rind" compared to the hash inside. Often you'll be presented with a piece of hash that has been exposed to the air for days/weeks/months. This is low quality hash.


Yeah even what appears to be crumbly dry hash I've had still melts when you vape/smoke it...don't think I've ever had/gotten low quality hash really. I have to say though if the hash has a little opium I would not see that as adulterated per say, though I'd prefer to know ahead of time so I'm prepared and don't smoke as much of it as I would normal hash.


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29 Aug 2014, 2:01 pm

ZenDen wrote:
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^I don't think it had opium in it.I believe the word hash is interchangeable with hashish.The old stuff was stronger,way stronger and smelled better.If you took too big a hit,talk about lung blowing expansion. 8O You smoked it by getting a straight pin and poking it thru a really stiff piece of paper,like the back of a spiral notebook.Then you put a ball of the hash on it and lit it,once it stated burning you blew it out and put a glass over it,when the glass was filled you would crack the edge up a little and suck the smoke out.The new stuff just melts off the pin.
It used to be easy to find,not anymore.I blame the war on terrorism.


When the product melts you can usually be assured it's fresh and unadulterated. The more misc. plant material is present the less "melt" that will occur.

Old style hash was pressed into lumps or bars. The dried, outside portion "rind" becomes very hard. In addition the THC levels fall very low in the "rind" compared to the hash inside. Often you'll be presented with a piece of hash that has been exposed to the air for days/weeks/months. This is low quality hash.

Maybe I am just being nostalgic,but the taste and the smell of the old skool stuff just seemed more fragrant.
I observed some people doing "knife hits" with bubble hash,this seemed a bad way to smoke the product.No way am I breathing hot metal vapors.Guess I'm a hypocrite becuse I'm smoking a cigarette right now :lol: But it is an organic cigarette.


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