Nobody interested in the Russia-Ukraine conflict?
It usually results in looser policies on higher level and more restrictions on local levels, as local consensus can be stronger.
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I heard from a direct source yesterday that Ukrainians are beginning to arrive in Canada via land crossings from the USA -> they must be able to get flights to the USA faster/cheaper and then head North. Here's what's happening when Ukrainians arrive to Canada:
They're asked a few simple questions about citizenship and criminal history, then told to head inside for processing to receive an unrestricted work permit that allows them to be here and work for any company willing to hire them into any job - and switch jobs if they can/like. One guy honestly reported a criminal past, said that a decade ago he served 3 years in prison for an assault charge. Ok - head inside and receive your work permit. Individual Canadian Officers have the discretion to approve these things in the moment and decide that they're not going to penalize someone by sending them back to a war zone because they got into a fight 10 years ago or stole a car or whatever. Probably only the worst of the worst types of criminals would be turned back.
The reaction of those arriving is with a bit of dumbfounded shock.. like "Uh, you sure? All I have to do is go in that building and fill out some paperwork and I get an unrestricted work permit to just freely live and work here? No catches, no hurdles to jump through ?? Seems too good to be true.." BUT, it is true. It is happening. I know the officer referenced above and they and their colleagues are not standing in the way of refugees of war joining Canadian society.
Canada has deep roots in Ukraine - more Ukrainians are in Canada than any other country; a full 13% of the population of the Prairie provinces are Ukrainian. We will accept many more - all they have to do is get here. We can't bring them here (or the Canadian government can't - not sure if there's some international rule that we can't or what the deal is on that ??) but as long as they can get here, they can stay and start new lives - temporarily or forever.
The most difficult part is going to be housing & the cost of living. It's astronomical in major city centres and the number one reason recent immigrants are leaving Canada after a few years. But, if people can group together and make do, they can make it. I Know I'd be willing to live several people to an apartment instead of in a war zone.
I've also heard that there are some people opening their homes to Ukrainian refugees - even some wealthy people in West Vancouver (where houses range from Millions to Tens of Millions of dollars) because they have extra rooms and can do their part to house women and children fleeing the country. That's pretty amazing. I bet there's more of that going on all over the country and that as this unjust war drags on, more will come and more people with spare bedrooms will open them up. Most home owners are reluctant to have boarders or roommates and will live 1-3 people in a very large family home long after their kids are grown and moved.. it's part of what contributes to our insane housing crises - but in times of war, I think people are going to be a whole lot more willing to open their hearts and homes to do what they can.
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Former USMC intelligence officer provides an unfashionable opinion:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... tt-ritter/
Scott Ritter is a former U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer who has gained international respect for his independence and integrity as a commentator on conflicts and foreign relations. This week, he was banned on the Twitter social media platform for challenging Western claims of a massacre in Bucha, Ukraine, allegedly carried out by Russian troops. Moscow denies the claims, as have other independent analysts who point to evidence that the incident was a false-flag provocation perpetrated by NATO-backed Ukrainian Nazi regiments to undermine Russia internationally and bolster Western objectives. It is a foreboding sign of the times that Ritter should be banned for daring to question dubious narratives. (He was later reinstated following a public outcry against censorship.)
In the following interview for Strategic Culture Foundation, he makes the crucial point that Russia’s intervention in Ukraine is exposing the involvement of the U.S. and NATO in the training and weaponizing of that country’s dominant Nazi regiments. That is why Western media have been so vehement in trying to distort the conflict and blame Russia. The truth about Western dirty involvement in Ukraine would be too much to bear for the Western public.
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Question: Do you think that Russia has a just cause in launching its “special military operation” in Ukraine on February 24?
Scott Ritter: I believe Russia has articulated a cognizable claim of preemptive collective self-defense under Article 51 of the UN Charter. The threat posed by NATO expansion, and Ukraine’s eight-year bombardment of the civilians of the Donbass fall under this umbrella.
Question: Do you think Russia has legitimate concerns about the Pentagon sponsoring biological weapons programs in laboratories in Ukraine?
Scott Ritter: The Pentagon denies any biological weapons program, but admits biological research programs on Ukrainian soil. Documents captured by Russia have allegedly uncovered the existence of programs the components of which could be construed as having offensive biological warfare applications. The U.S. should be required to explain the purpose of these programs.
Question: What do you make of allegations in Western media that Russian troops committed war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian cities? It is claimed that Russian forces summarily executed civilians.
Scott Ritter: All claims of war crimes must be thoroughly investigated, including Ukrainian allegations that Russia killed Ukrainian civilians in Bucha. However, the data available about the Bucha incident does not sustain the Ukrainian claims, and as such, the media should refrain from echoing these claims as fact until a proper investigation of the evidence is conducted, either by the media, or unbiased authorities.
Question: Do you think the alleged Russian bombing of a hospital and an art theater in Mariupol were false-flag provocations?
Scott Ritter: Both locations are available for detailed forensic examination that would either confirm or refute Ukrainian allegations that these locations were struck by Russian aerial bombs. Other data, such as the existence of any NATO radar data that would put Russian aircraft over these two locations at the time of the alleged attack, should be collected. A detailed forensic examination of each site would go a long way in proving or disproving the Ukrainian claims through the collection of weapons fragments and the evaluation of environmental samples which would show the chemical composition of any explosive used, thereby allowing a better idea of what weapon or explosive was used to destroy the sites.
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Question: The Western media are reporting that the Russian military operation in Ukraine is floundering because it has not over-run Ukraine entirely. As a military expert, how do you see the Russian operation proceeding?
Scott Ritter: Russia is fighting a very difficult campaign hampered by its own constraint designed to limit civilian casualties and damage to infrastructure and the fact that Ukraine possesses a very well-trained military that is well led and equipped. Russia deployed some 200,000 troops in support of this operation. They are facing some 600,000 Ukrainian forces. The first phase of the Russian operation was designed to shape the battlefield to Russia’s advantage while diminishing the size and capacity of the Ukrainian ability to wage large-scale conflict. The second phase is focused on destroying the main Ukrainian force concentration in eastern Ukraine. Russia is well on its way to accomplishing this task.
Question: Do you see danger from Ukraine being turned into a proxy war by the United States and NATO partners against Russia in a way that attempts to repeat the West’s covert war in Syria or the Afghanistan war (1979-89) with the Soviet Union? There are reports of foreign legions being sent to Ukraine via NATO countries. Do you think there is a Western plan to embroil Russia in a proxy war that is aimed at sapping Russia politically, economically, and militarily?
Scott Ritter: The Ukrainian conflict is a proxy war, but one which Russia is poised to win decisively. While there appears to be a NATO/western plan to embroil Russia in a “new Afghanistan”, I don’t see any risk of this conflict dragging on for more than a few more weeks at the most before Russia accomplishes a strategic victory over Ukraine.
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^that guy sounds like he's on Russia's PR department's payroll.
Might be nice to see some actual evidence analyzed by independent experts to prove who bombed those areas with certainty. But the rest of that seems like a bunch of putin ego stroking.
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With all the satellite and drone footages and thousands of eyewitnesses, the opinions above are just as convincing as claims that round Earth is a NASA conspiracy.
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Sooo, you're saying Ukranian Nazis did it and should be kicked off the edge of the Earth as punishment ?

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lol
Ironically, this is one of the 5 shirts I just ordered online:


Another is a WWF parody w/ pandas holding a steel chair, and the other three are from https://www.saintjavelin.com/ in support of Ukraine.

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Are you seriously pushing this silly nonsense as truth?
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I don't know the truth and say as much repeatedly, making me the only honest person in this thread apparently, but it is entirely possible that the Russians are not guilty of what they have been accused of. If you know any history at all, you can probably name several alleged war crimes that were either blamed on the wrong party for expediency and propaganda purposes (Katyn immediately comes to my mind) or totally fabricated (German soldiers skeet shooting with babies, or more recently - Iraqi soldiers tossing babies out of incubators in Kuwait).
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Exceuse me, Mikah, but my own grandfather was lucky to have fled Katyń.
Guess what? Russians did it. No one else. Of course they denied it and forbid to investigate. For the same reasons, talking about the current war in ways not approved by Kremlin (even to call it "war") is forbidden in Russia right now, with up to 15 years in jail for it.
This tactics has 500 years of regular use there, "if you knew any history at all". That's why Ukrainians are so eager to invite international investigators. So it couldn't be denied and silenced like so many earlier attrocities were.
You are believing Russian propaganda, current and past, over evidence.
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Guess what? Russians did it. No one else. Of course they denied it and forbid to investigate. For the same reasons, talking about the current war in ways not approved by Kremlin (even to call it "war") is forbidden in Russia right now, with up to 15 years in jail for it.
I find that the control of speech in Russia is much stronger than in China.
It's hard to imagine that I haven't paid attention to what's going on in Russia before.
Is this why I haven't met Russians talking about politics on the Internet?
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Cover your eyes, if you like. It will serve no purpose.
You might expect to be able to crush them in your hand, into wolf-bone fragments.
Guess what? Russians did it. No one else. Of course they denied it and forbid to investigate. For the same reasons, talking about the current war in ways not approved by Kremlin (even to call it "war") is forbidden in Russia right now, with up to 15 years in jail for it.
This tactics has 500 years of regular use there, "if you knew any history at all". That's why Ukrainians are so eager to invite international investigators. So it couldn't be denied and silenced like so many earlier attrocities were.
You are believing Russian propaganda, current and past, over evidence.
I repeat - I believe nothing. I post a counter narrative from time to time for those with open minds. The Russians-are-inhuman-and-or-insane narrative is well represented here.
And the point about Katyn, as you well know, is that it was initially blamed on the Germans and Western powers knowingly helped propagate that lie because it suited their interests.
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Guess what? Russians did it. No one else. Of course they denied it and forbid to investigate. For the same reasons, talking about the current war in ways not approved by Kremlin (even to call it "war") is forbidden in Russia right now, with up to 15 years in jail for it.
I find that the control of speech in Russia is much stronger than in China.
It's hard to imagine that I haven't paid attention to what's going on in Russia before.
Is this why I haven't met Russians talking about politics on the Internet?
1. Russians talk in Russian, on Internet, too.
2. AFAIK, they use their own social media, mainly vkontakte and telegram.
3. Most Russians don't talk much about politics. Two exceptions are nationalist-imperialist Putin cheerleaders and pro-freedom dissidents. But most people don't want to talk about it at all.
4. Drastic control of speech was introduced after starting this war. Before, there were even some free media in Russia (most prominent were Novaya Gazeta newspaper and Echo of Moscow radio) that had to stop their activity because of the changes in the law.
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