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15 Feb 2012, 3:25 pm

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Btw, did it ever occur to you that this verse is very odd in the light of the fact that the Hebrews didn't eat pork, and therefore didn't keep pigs as livestock? The swine herd in Mark 5:13, where Jesus exorcises some poor guy who appears to suffer from Tourette or schizophrenia, is even more puzzling.

Why should it be odd or puzzling? If the Hebrews consider pork to be unclean, it makes perfect sense.

Let's presuppose the Hebraic view of Jesus' time. The OT says, I believe in Exodus, that the Lord's intent is for the nation of Israel to be a kingdom of priests. Indeed, skip ahead to the kingdom years foreigners consulted Solomon for his renowned wisdom.

Since foreigners are unclean in relation to the Jews, the swine analogy applies to any Gentile. In particular, the Matthew reference is to swine who not only trample the pearls (wisdom) but tear apart the person offering them.

What is interesting to ME about this passage is it follows "Do not judge..." Since Jesus knew His followers risked persecution to follow Him and because His followers would have opportunities to preach to Romans authorities (analogous to "swine" and "dogs"), He made a point of warning His followers to be careful in how they approach authorities to correct them. "Do not judge" is about justice, and the "speck in your brother's eye" is about correcting those who do wrong. In the eyes of Jewish society, the Romans certainly weren't "brothers." But it wouldn't be above a Christian to consider all people as brothers. For the Jews, sharing their wisdom and correcting their brothers was safe as long as their brothers were open to the message. For a Christian, it would be about being careful who you correct and about also whether the person being corrected is open to correction.

A Christian might be open to the idea of correcting someone in authority, but the authority figure might not be open to correction. It makes more sense to evangelize those who are willing to hear the gospel message than those who are not; indeed, if someone comes across as disrespectful towards authority, EVEN IF HE'S RIGHT, he could end up dead. Being dead, he can do no more good for those who might be receptive to the gospel.


¡Ay, caramba! He is correct.



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15 Feb 2012, 6:22 pm

shrox wrote:
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But "WHY"


Why what? Why do you want to drag me into a discussion about apologetics when I've stated I don't want to? I haven't a clue.


I believe he is asking why you hold the beliefs you do on geology.

Which means, provide evidence to support your theory.


What parakeet needs to understand is, one can believe that the earth is more than a mere six thousand years old, and still be a Christian - even a doctrinally conservative Christian. The fact of the matter is, an overly literal interpretation of the Bible - especially when we're talking about the early books of the Bible, as well as Revelations at the end - you lose the point of what it's all really about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


And God himself adds this qualifier:

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. - 2 Peter 3:8


Exactly correct, brother shrox. 8)

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15 Feb 2012, 6:23 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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abacacus wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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But "WHY"


Why what? Why do you want to drag me into a discussion about apologetics when I've stated I don't want to? I haven't a clue.


I believe he is asking why you hold the beliefs you do on geology.

Which means, provide evidence to support your theory.


What parakeet needs to understand is, one can believe that the earth is more than a mere six thousand years old, and still be a Christian - even a doctrinally conservative Christian. The fact of the matter is, an overly literal interpretation of the Bible - especially when we're talking about the early books of the Bible, as well as Revelations at the end - you lose the point of what it's all really about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Besides that YEC is batshit insane


I ought to ask - what does YEC mean? :?

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15 Feb 2012, 6:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
abacacus wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
But "WHY"


Why what? Why do you want to drag me into a discussion about apologetics when I've stated I don't want to? I haven't a clue.


I believe he is asking why you hold the beliefs you do on geology.

Which means, provide evidence to support your theory.


What parakeet needs to understand is, one can believe that the earth is more than a mere six thousand years old, and still be a Christian - even a doctrinally conservative Christian. The fact of the matter is, an overly literal interpretation of the Bible - especially when we're talking about the early books of the Bible, as well as Revelations at the end - you lose the point of what it's all really about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Besides that YEC is batshit insane


I ought to ask - what does YEC mean? :?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Young Earth creationism



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15 Feb 2012, 9:31 pm

shrox wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
abacacus wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
But "WHY"


Why what? Why do you want to drag me into a discussion about apologetics when I've stated I don't want to? I haven't a clue.


I believe he is asking why you hold the beliefs you do on geology.

Which means, provide evidence to support your theory.


What parakeet needs to understand is, one can believe that the earth is more than a mere six thousand years old, and still be a Christian - even a doctrinally conservative Christian. The fact of the matter is, an overly literal interpretation of the Bible - especially when we're talking about the early books of the Bible, as well as Revelations at the end - you lose the point of what it's all really about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Besides that YEC is batshit insane


I ought to ask - what does YEC mean? :?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Young Earth creationism


Okay, I should have realized that.
And I agree, the people promoting this idea are batshit crazy. Unfortunately, there are such individuals in positions of power in my own church body. :(

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer