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11 Feb 2014, 11:40 pm

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I see people who don't live around my neighborhood all the time, and rarely get bent out of shape about it. The only time I had become alarmed by one was when after my daughter had just gotten on the school bus, and he had asked me if this was the usual time for the school bus. Otherwise, no, I don't let strangers freak me out.
And no, I seriously have nothing against guns - just certain people who might use them irresponsibly. Like shooting strangers.
Regarding burglary having no racial preference - that is absolutely correct. But not long before Martin had been shot, a resident had reported how a couple black men had tried breaking into her house. And that is the reason why Zimmerman had pursued him, apparently believing Martin had been one such burglar.

he was also new to the neighborhood when you live in a gated community you get to know your neighbors just by being observant
being a person he had not seen in a gated neighborhood walking in backyards at night in the rain is highly suspicious
what would you do if you were driving in your neighborhood and saw someone you have never seen before walking through backyards at night in the rain, what if earlier that month your neighbors had a break in. in a semi close community everyone will know about it
the police filing the reports would be a dead give away. if he just stopped and talked like a normal human they could have become friends even after all hes a new resident, but no trayvon made the choice to attack zimmerman trayvon having the height advantage and very fit would be very scary to deal with. I have been attacked and robbed by thugs before it sure made me wish I had a firearm. remember its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6


I sincerely did not know you had been the victim of a mugging - had I, I may have been more polite. Obviously, your experience colors your perception differently from mine. I concede, had I been attacked by thugs, I might be making your case right now. My whole point is, though, I personally believe neither Zimmerman or Martin had any plans to commit any acts of violence that night. But they had ended up unintentionally scaring the sh*t out of one another, and a tragic blowout happened because of what was little more than a mistake.


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11 Feb 2014, 11:57 pm

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Zimmerman made it clear to the operator that he was about to follow on foot - sounds like he was looking for trouble with Martin to me.


Following someone on foot to ascertain where they had gone in order to update the police, who you've called to check out a person you think is suspicious, is not 'looking for trouble'; most people who are looking to get into a fight do not call the police first. Besides which, given your track record in putting your 'feelings' ahead of the facts, I don't consider your personal opinion to be worth much here, possibly less than the binary code needed to display it.

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And in regard to my other post, I don't need to be a mind reader - we have Zimmerman's past history, where he harassed and and detained anyone he figured was an "evil doer."


Cite? And actually, you would have to be a mind reader to make the statements you've made with the certainty that you've made them, otherwise they're simply assumptions. You're not a mind reader, you're just a guy that makes assumptions and treats them as facts.

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And seriously, you don't really believe that Martin's skin color hadn't made him suspicious to Zimmerman, do you?


What you or I think is irrelevant, what matters is what can be proven, and in this case what can be proven is damn little. Which doesn't stop you from presenting your personal opinions as verified facts, but then again, that's your MO in general.

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In fact, he let slip that that had been the case, as he reported he was following Martin because there had been burglaries committed by black men in the neighborhood earlier on.


So Zimmerman is racist because he was acting on evidence regarding the appearance of the suspected burglar in his neighborhood? You do realize that what you just said undermines your whole narrative, right? Zimmerman being suspicious of Martin simply because he was black is not the same thing as Zimmerman suspecting Martin because he matched the description of a suspect in a crime in the neighborhood, that's apples and oranges.


These arguments are giving me too much of a headache, and I recognize them from the first few times around. Obviously, neither of us is going to convince the other. So unless you come up with a new statement that clashes with my sensibilities, I'm afraid I have other concerns to focus my attention on.


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12 Feb 2014, 12:03 am

you dont jump on top of someone punching them in the face because you were you were spooked
it even if zimmerman was a ninja sneaking behind trayvon and tapping him on the shoulder. he did not punch zimmerman once or twice he hit him 10+ times thats really an act that takes a lot of body planning if he just punch him in the face spooked by him touching his shoulder. he knocked Zimmerman to the ground then got on top of him. according to zimmerman he did not even pull out his gun till trayvon tried to grab it
for all we know trayvon was trying to rob zimmerman before running into the night probably shooting Zimmerman then running to his dads house
disposing of the weapon in a complete way and it would go an unsolved murder



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12 Feb 2014, 12:07 am

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you dont jump on top of someone punching them in the face because you were you were spooked
it even if zimmerman was a ninja sneaking behind trayvon and tapping him on the shoulder. he did not punch zimmerman once or twice he hit him 10+ times thats really an act that takes a lot of body planning if he just punch him in the face spooked by him touching his shoulder. he knocked Zimmerman to the ground then got on top of him. according to zimmerman he did not even pull out his gun till trayvon tried to grab it
for all we know trayvon was trying to rob zimmerman before running into the night probably shooting Zimmerman then running to his dads house
disposing of the weapon in a complete way and it would go an unsolved murder


(Sigh) I'm clearly not getting my point across to you either. I'm going to watch reruns of Tosh.0.


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12 Feb 2014, 1:21 am

NO

The last thing I wanna see is Zimmerman make a ton of money in boxing. The article says cancelled I hope it stays that way.



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12 Feb 2014, 1:30 am

And it's hardly like his life has really been ruined, as he's made thousands of dollars off his art. Trayvon Martin, on the other hand, is dead.


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12 Feb 2014, 1:33 am

Besides the guy is so out of shape and untrained. It's ridiculous to even attempt this charade at boxing. People will fall for it.



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12 Feb 2014, 1:35 am

chris5000 wrote:
you dont jump on top of someone punching them in the face because you were you were spooked
it even if zimmerman was a ninja sneaking behind trayvon and tapping him on the shoulder. he did not punch zimmerman once or twice he hit him 10+ times thats really an act that takes a lot of body planning if he just punch him in the face spooked by him touching his shoulder. he knocked Zimmerman to the ground then got on top of him. according to zimmerman he did not even pull out his gun till trayvon tried to grab it
for all we know trayvon was trying to rob zimmerman before running into the night probably shooting Zimmerman then running to his dads house
disposing of the weapon in a complete way and it would go an unsolved murder


According to Zimmerman's own testimony, he wasn't punched until Martin saw his gun. So you've got this dude following you around in his car, he gets out, approaches you, and flashes a gun in his waistband. Any rational person would assume that one of three things is about to happen:

1. You're about to get robbed.
2. You're about to get shot.
3. Both.

Martin chose to try to incapacitate this armed dude who was stalking him, presumably to rob or kill him, and got shot to death in the process.

You would have to be a complete idiot to go up to strangers and flash your piece for any reason. Unfortunately for the world, Zimmerman is just that kind of idiot.



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12 Feb 2014, 1:36 am

By the way, I just Googled Zimmerman's artwork, and all I have to ask is - - he's gotten thousands for that piece of crap?!?!?!?!
Salvador Dali he aint.


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12 Feb 2014, 6:12 am

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you dont jump on top of someone punching them in the face because you were you were spooked
it even if zimmerman was a ninja sneaking behind trayvon and tapping him on the shoulder. he did not punch zimmerman once or twice he hit him 10+ times thats really an act that takes a lot of body planning if he just punch him in the face spooked by him touching his shoulder. he knocked Zimmerman to the ground then got on top of him. according to zimmerman he did not even pull out his gun till trayvon tried to grab it
for all we know trayvon was trying to rob zimmerman before running into the night probably shooting Zimmerman then running to his dads house
disposing of the weapon in a complete way and it would go an unsolved murder


According to Zimmerman's own testimony, he wasn't punched until Martin saw his gun. So you've got this dude following you around in his car, he gets out, approaches you, and flashes a gun in his waistband. Any rational person would assume that one of three things is about to happen:

1. You're about to get robbed.
2. You're about to get shot.
3. Both.

Martin chose to try to incapacitate this armed dude who was stalking him, presumably to rob or kill him, and got shot to death in the process.

You would have to be a complete idiot to go up to strangers and flash your piece for any reason. Unfortunately for the world, Zimmerman is just that kind of idiot.

actually according to his testimony trayvon did not see the gun till he was already beating the crap out of zimmerman. also what kind of moron would attack someone if they were flashing a gun. that would just be asking to get shot, but even with your strawman that is not one of the facts that happened that night. the crime scene backs zimmerman one hundred percent thats why he was not arrested on the scene



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12 Feb 2014, 7:07 am

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Martin was visiting his Dad, and I believe on a snack run for his brother. No, I seriously doubt he was looking for trouble that night. Do you just go out looking for trouble? Because I certainly don't.

If you're in a gated community and don't live there it's prudent not to even appear to be suspicious. I don't live in a gated community but we're suspicious of people we don't recognize out milling around casing the neighborhood.


You know, that its a sign of paranoia/phobia to suspect people out of not reason? (Nope "walking" is not a reason. ^^)

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Martin chose to try to incapacitate this armed dude who was stalking him, presumably to rob or kill him, and got shot to death in the process.
If someone stalks me out of no reason...isn´t it far more likely to argue, that the stalking one, might be interested in murdering/robbing? O_o I mean in opposition to "walking around", which has tons of reasons, the reason to stalk at someone are rather limited.



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12 Feb 2014, 8:41 am

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12 Feb 2014, 9:05 am

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Martin was visiting his Dad, and I believe on a snack run for his brother. No, I seriously doubt he was looking for trouble that night. Do you just go out looking for trouble? Because I certainly don't.

If you're in a gated community and don't live there it's prudent not to even appear to be suspicious. I don't live in a gated community but we're suspicious of people we don't recognize out milling around casing the neighborhood.


You know, that its a sign of paranoia/phobia to suspect people out of not reason? (Nope "walking" is not a reason. ^^)

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Martin chose to try to incapacitate this armed dude who was stalking him, presumably to rob or kill him, and got shot to death in the process.
If someone stalks me out of no reason...isn´t it far more likely to argue, that the stalking one, might be interested in murdering/robbing? O_o I mean in opposition to "walking around", which has tons of reasons, the reason to stalk at someone are rather limited.
when its nighttime raining and the person is walking through backyards its very reasonable to be suspicious I would definitely do a double take if I saw it.



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12 Feb 2014, 10:45 am

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you dont jump on top of someone punching them in the face because you were you were spooked
it even if zimmerman was a ninja sneaking behind trayvon and tapping him on the shoulder. he did not punch zimmerman once or twice he hit him 10+ times thats really an act that takes a lot of body planning if he just punch him in the face spooked by him touching his shoulder. he knocked Zimmerman to the ground then got on top of him. according to zimmerman he did not even pull out his gun till trayvon tried to grab it
for all we know trayvon was trying to rob zimmerman before running into the night probably shooting Zimmerman then running to his dads house
disposing of the weapon in a complete way and it would go an unsolved murder


According to Zimmerman's own testimony, he wasn't punched until Martin saw his gun. So you've got this dude following you around in his car, he gets out, approaches you, and flashes a gun in his waistband. Any rational person would assume that one of three things is about to happen:

1. You're about to get robbed.
2. You're about to get shot.
3. Both.

Martin chose to try to incapacitate this armed dude who was stalking him, presumably to rob or kill him, and got shot to death in the process.

You would have to be a complete idiot to go up to strangers and flash your piece for any reason. Unfortunately for the world, Zimmerman is just that kind of idiot.

actually according to his testimony trayvon did not see the gun till he was already beating the crap out of zimmerman. also what kind of moron would attack someone if they were flashing a gun. that would just be asking to get shot, but even with your strawman that is not one of the facts that happened that night. the crime scene backs zimmerman one hundred percent thats why he was not arrested on the scene


He said he lifted up his shirt to reach for his cell phone. Again, I don't know how street smart you are, but some dude coming up to you and reaching for something at his waist is probably not a sign that you're about to have a good time. If someone comes up to you with a gun when you're alone in the middle of the night, you've got three options.

1. Give him your valuables and hope for the best.
2. Run and hope he's a bad shot, or that he doesn't think shooting is worth the risk.
3. Try to incapacitate him.

Not only did they not arrest Zimmerman, they barely made any effort to identify the body or investigate the scene.

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when its nighttime raining and the person is walking through backyards its very reasonable to be suspicious I would definitely do a double take if I saw it.


Yeah, it was unusual. Almost as if he was avoiding some guy who was following him.



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12 Feb 2014, 11:33 am

George should have stayed in his house. Talk about obsessing over being a neighborhood watchman.


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12 Feb 2014, 11:55 am

Z was told to stay in the vehicle,he didn't,he did not identify himself as neighborhood watch.
They should have at least got him for reckless endangerment.I think that charge would have stuck.I don't think that Trayvon was unreasonable to be nervous about some stranger following him,I would be.Just because Z was found innocent that does not mean he is,example,O.J.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/us/trayvo ... ast-facts/


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