Have we been dead for 13.7 billion years?

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Have we been dead for 13.7 billion years before we were born?

According to the Mormons, yes we have.

Yep. But now we're undead. Which I guess explains why I stay up all night and tend to avoid sunlight.

no. we were dead forever before we were born.
the same "forever" that we will be dead for again .....before....well who knows?.

brains and cpu's can not fathom infinity. i believe that there was an infinite amount of time before the "big bang" in which an infinite amount of varied manifestations of it's reality occurred in the infinite amount of time they had the chance to occur.

whatever. no one can fathom infinity, and anything less than the correct fathoming of infinity (which is impossible) is mere speculation.

Actually, the higher magnitude of mass the slower time goes. This has been empirically proven with multiple experiments carried out here on earth. For example, the caesium atomic clock experiment where they were synced up and one was timed from the ground of the earth and the other was flying in a high-flying aircraft - the aircraft was less affected by the mass of the earth, so time went slightly faster. Also the fact that in a certain part of Canada (I think it's Canada) time travels slower compared to everywhere else in the world, because at that part of Canada there is significantly less rock / dense materials underneath and around it.

So in the beginning, when the entire Universe was compressed to the size of a singularity, the mass would have been infinite. This would have meant that time as we know it could NOT have possibly existed. The only way time could have been perceived is if there was some sort of God watching from the outside......

I'm fairly sure the effect of that experiment is due to time dilation i.e. time moves slower when you are moving faster.

You are niether dead nor alive before you are born. You just dont exist.

There is no "us or we" before birth. The person that is you comes into existence at birth (or shortly after) and ceases to exist at death.

ruveyn

Death is a biological process of shutting down. It is something that occurs after you have been alive, and being alive is a prerequisite for death. So there is a temporal issue there. In order to be dead, we must first have been alive.

Before the time we were conceived, there was never any guarantee we would ever be alive at all. There was never any certainty our parents would cuddle together and make us. (This is really gross to think about). Our existence was contingent on said cuddling.

I guess you could say that before conception, there were bits of potential for us in our parents. And a generation before that, in our grandparents. Maybe as long as there was the genetic material somewhere to make us, however tenuous, we were potential hypothetical people.

^^ Best explanation so far (Sorry, Ruve!).

Now, a question: What did your face look like before your grandparents were born?

the definition of "death" is not the point that i perceived the original post to be relevant to.

that is the correct definition of "death", but it is an irrelevant "aside" in my opinion.



the exact evolution of the universal process is inevitable in my opinion. there is no such thing as "chance" or "luck" if one considers it objectively. due to the perfection of the conservation of energy that transits from cause to effect, there can be no alternative that will ever happen that is less than "perfectly efficient". "chance" and "luck" are words that spring to the thoughts of soul searchers due to the indefinite predictability of their minds which in themselves are nothing but a product of what they are trying to predict.



the fact that we exist means that our existence was inevitable always in the past. i believe there was no beginning of time because i do not believe anything can happen without a time to happen in, and so there would have been no time for the accumulation of energy (from a prior universe) that was re-sprouted in the big bang which is supposedly where time began according to quite a number of very smart people. i can not see the end result of their dissertations as being incontrovertible.

if an ant stumbles on the top of a sand dune and a grain of sand is set in motion down the side of the dune, then, after 1 million years, the landscape of the region may be completely different due to the trillions of events that happen that have the position of that grain of sand as a factor in their evolution.

but even if i think about it that way, i still believe that the exact (dimensional) orientations of every indivisible parcel of energy that was cast outward at the time of the big bang were responsible for the inevitable cascade of effects that all obey the universal laws of physics without exception.

and so here we are in this strange time that is the time of our life.

but i think the question that is most intriguing to me is that if i have not been in existence for an infinite amount of time before i was born, then why does it feel like not a second passed before i first opened my eyes?

if i have already gone through eternity without experiencing a nanosecond of it, then after i die, i will go through eternity again without experiencing any duration of time whatsoever.

but it seems to me that my non existence after i die will be terminated by another existence (like it was at my current birth), because it is a cycle.

i know that "eternity" has no end, and can not be terminated, but an infinite amount of infinities fit inside infinity.

"infinity" is an absurd mathematical attempt to ascribe a symbol to never endingness, but the symbol for infinity has never been used in an equation.

infinity is infinitely greater than infinity. my mind starts to hang up when i start to consider infinity. i feel a numeric overflow is eminent, so i will gate my mind away from this topic now.

Well you don't remember when you first opened your eyes do you? do you remember birth? We very well could have had conscious memories lingering in our souls thoughts while we were unconscious beings. We only become conscious around the age of 6, so before then anything is up for grabs in my opinion.

This is similar to my beliefs, I thought almost the exact same train of thought as you wrote there months ago.

If I am eternal, this physical body is just a vessel, and at the moment of death we either...
- 'Fast forward' through time to the next moment where we are presented with a new body (this must happen in my opinion if you understand infinity).
- Or our soul is instantly transported to another vessel and occupies that until death
- Or our soul wonders the astral/spirit realm, choosing to stay or to reincarnate for more experience as a mortal being,

Either way, I have no doubt in my mind that this has not been my first time living out the life in mortal flesh, and I do not believe it will be the last.

There is not an iota of empirical evidence to support these delusions. Dream on!

ruveyn

I think about these things, and think how everything has been simulated up to your birth. Once you're born, everything is there, however what could have been before. Are you in the universe, or is the universe in you, or both? Is your brain being fed these frequencies by an unknown source, perhaps we build our own existence through our own fruition. I'm very interested to find out one day if we're in a holographic universe, perhaps the brain is only used for data processing - Carl Sagan even said that our brain has it's own language to test the structure and consistency of the world. To really grasp it.. you can't. It's like, when a person goes into coma. They cannot think, they cannot feel pain, or are in animation - they're suspended. They can go eon's this way, and never know it and wake up like it was yesterday. When we die, time is no longer relevant I'd imagine. Life is everywhere though, why would this life only be subjected to living once, consciousness has to appear again and self organize again somewhere. It's peaceful, sometimes I think we'll just wake up and it'll be like a dream, onto another experience.

In case you haven't noticed their is no evidence of heaven and hell either, except a book that has been edited umpteen times by people that decided to shape their religion as they saw fit, not how 'god' wanted.

There are on the other hand, tons of claims of astral projection travels, and remote viewing, and this explains them. So get off your high horse old man.

... none of which have any valid empirical evidence to support them.


Watch your attitude there, kid! Ruveyn has more knowledge and wisdom than you and I put together, and that is simply because he's not likely to believe anything just because there may be "tons of claims" for it.

Astral projection is a myth that is based on a subjective delusion, which in turn is based on subjective hallucinations.

Only this, and nothing more.