Why are people still interested in migrating to the USA?

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ArrantPariah
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12 May 2013, 8:38 am

In this NYT article "Some Countries Lobby for More in Race for Visas"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/12/us/po ... h_20130512

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The government of South Korea hired a former C.I.A. analyst, two White House veterans and a team of ex-Congressional staff members to help secure a few paragraphs in the giant immigration bill. The government of Ireland, during St. Patrick’s Day festivities, appealed directly to President Obama and Congressional leaders for special treatment. And the government of Poland squeezed Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and top lawmakers on Capitol Hill for its own favor, a pitch repeated at an embassy party last week featuring pirogi and three types of Polish ham.

Those countries, and others, succeeded in winning provisions in the fine print of the 867-page immigration bill now before Congress that give their citizens benefits not extended to most other foreigners.

Ireland and South Korea extracted measures that set aside for their citizens a fixed number of the highly sought special visas for guest workers seeking to come to the United States. Poland got language that would allow it to join the list of nations whose citizens can travel to the United States as tourists without visas.....

South Korea alone has four lobbying firms in the campaign, paying them collectively at a rate that would total $1.7 million this year, according to required disclosure reports. Other nations generally relied on their own ambassadors and embassy staff to make the push, meaning there is no way to track how much has been spent on the effort....

But with access to the United States a prize coveted across much of the world, the push for special favors has been intense...


Why is "access to the United States" such a coveted prize? Why would governments of other countries go to so much effort to secure special privileges for their citizens to visit or migrate here?

And, why would anyone living in another country wish to move to or visit this God-forsaken place?



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12 May 2013, 10:35 am

Well, in India there are not enough jobs for everyone. People think the scramble for jobs in the USA is difficult, but it has NOTHING on India. So many Indians try elsewhere in the world. The UK, Australia, and USA mostly.

My ex came to the USA from Japan because the life of an surgeon over there usually means not leaving the hospital for days on end, not sleeping, and the salary is much less than it is here. Surgeons in Japan rarely see their families and just basically work themselves to death.

Those are the only two countries I have personal knowledge of.



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12 May 2013, 10:43 am

Maybe America is like a pie being carved up and the other nations all want their piece.



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12 May 2013, 10:46 am

Maybe because, although the West is going down the pan, it is still a lot better than the rest of the world, and the USA is the poster boy for the West with the biggest economy.



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12 May 2013, 10:50 am

i think people who want to go to America are suffering from terminal short termism.

The financial crisis is heading for the states soon enough, like a tsunami building up.

The smart people are hedging their bets in the far east.


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12 May 2013, 10:53 am

It is still possible to make one's fortune in the U.S.A. by luck and by pluck. It is not as easy as it used to be, but it is possible. In the U.S.A. the individual is till held to be higher than the State or Society.

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12 May 2013, 10:54 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Why is "access to the United States" such a coveted prize?

We have jobs that most Americans do not seem to want.

ArrantPariah wrote:
Why would governments of other countries go to so much effort to secure special privileges for their citizens to visit or migrate here?

People who emigrate here get jobs and then send part of their income back to their families, thus relieving the foreign government of the need to provide social aid. The families also tend to spend the money in those foreign countries, thus stirring up the foreign economy.

ArrantPariah wrote:
And, why would anyone living in another country wish to move to or visit this God-forsaken place?

Jobs, lack of Sharia law, declining religious influence in general, the right to privacy, freedom of speech, free television programs, free primary education, better medical care ...



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12 May 2013, 10:56 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Maybe because, although the West is going down the pan, it is still a lot better than the rest of the world.



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12 May 2013, 11:27 am

I don't judge the worth of a country by the strength of the economy, but by the standards of living of the people. The Chinese are imprisoned if they speak out against their government, there is a much bigger poverty problem than in America, and the Chinese have to work a lot harder, even from a very young age. There are serious problems with mental health. Some women are forced to have abortions. In rural areas, the water is not safe to drink. Many cannot afford healthcare, there is a lack of doctors, and the doctors have strange incentives placed upon them which have led to accusations that they don't act in the patient's best interests.



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12 May 2013, 2:19 pm

As Fnord pointed out, there are plenty of jobs here that Americans don't want.

People from other countries actually want to be scientists, doctors, and engineers.



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12 May 2013, 5:34 pm

Personally, I wouldn't mind if a lot of people left the US and didn't come back.
Without exception all the ones I've heard moaning about how awful the US is and longing to be somewhere else are the types that I want gone. In fact, I'll come and help them pack.


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12 May 2013, 7:52 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Maybe because, although the West is going down the pan, it is still a lot better than the rest of the world, and the USA is the poster boy for the West with the biggest economy.


+1

While I despise the relativism argument for what America should be, the simple truth is that if you think America is bad, go most anyplace else and think again. Some places ARE better, but the sad truth is that they have stringent immigration standards (part of why they are better and stay that way). The USA is perhaps the easiest "better" place for someone to immigrate to on Earth.



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12 May 2013, 7:57 pm

Raptor wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't mind if a lot of people left the US and didn't come back.Without exception all the ones I've heard moaning about how awful the US is and longing to be somewhere else are the types that I want gone. In fact, I'll come and help them pack.

I'll provide the duct-tape, especially for the ones emigrating to Cuba.



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13 May 2013, 7:49 am

Everyone wants to be in America until they fall and break their leg and get a bill for 5000 dollars.
But don't worry, the government will force you to buy extremely expensive insurance that will cover a percentage of that!
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13 May 2013, 8:09 am

I can't speak for everyone, but:

Though its dominance is not quite what it was even ten years ago, the U.S. university system is still by far the best in the world in most humanities and science fields. I'm speaking in particular for postgraduate study, a necessary part of a prospective academic career.

Besides academia, the U.S. still seems to have an advantage in the entertainment and "high skill" industries ("high skill" including work in engineering and finance).

Also many young Irish people have decided to emigrate due to terrible economic conditions in Ireland since 2008, with youth unemployment being about 30%. Many hope to one day return to Ireland after conditions improve, so they don't really think long-term about this.



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13 May 2013, 9:39 am

There are plenty of reasons to want to be in the U.S. The standard of living is extremely high relative to most nations, but that alone is not enough to attract people. There are plenty of jobs here still, though not nearly as plentiful as a few years ago (that will change in a few years). It is a relatively big country you can spread around in. Americans also tend to be open to new ideas, considering it is a nation of immigrants.

I think the most important reason is actually easy access to capital markets. It is relatively easy to start a business here, and not much of a problem to get a loan or seed money. There is still far less red tape here than many other nations, although I worry that is changing. Aside from Hong Kong, Singapore, and a few small European states, I can't think of anywhere else you can start a business so easily.